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  •  05-18-2008, 8:49 AM 3017428 in reply to 3017415

    Re: Free Press Article

    Page 7:
    Kilpatrick calls Councilwoman Cockrel a "***"
    Can you believe that coming from the mayor of debtroit.
  •  05-18-2008, 8:49 AM 3017429 in reply to 3017415

    Re: Free Press Article

    Gene210:
    Kilpatrick should resign
    Rev. Dr. Michael C.R. Nabors  New Calvary Baptist ChurchKilpatrick should resign
    Just kick the bum out of office, your all done running this city and that's it.

    Thanks for the link, Gene. Another good article I somehow missed. Kudos to this minister for the strength to speak the truth when so many pastors in the City are defending that hustler.

  •  05-18-2008, 8:53 AM 3017435 in reply to 3017429

    Re: Free Press Article

    Great Free Press article this morning.  I can not, for the life of me, figure out how that thug can continue in office.  How humiliating for his children, who will someday be adults and be able to read and hear about the tragic demise of their father by his own actions and arrogance. 
  •  05-18-2008, 8:58 AM 3017440 in reply to 3016363

    Re: 4 hours

    Laura56:
    Tushana:
    miamia:

    No challengers gives Worthy room to deal

    Pay some attention to the fact that two attorneys who previously said they would challenge Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy in the Democratic primary didn't file petition signatures by Tuesday's deadline.

    Maybe they took a look at all the publicity Worthy is getting since filing felony charges against Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick and decided she's not beatable this year.

    Or maybe there's some truth to the rumors we've been hearing for weeks that Kilpatrick supporters were discouraging any challenge to Worthy.

    The reasoning is that if Worthy feels less politically threatened, she'll be more inclined to make a deal to settle the criminal case against the mayor.

    Now that Worthy doesn't have to worry about the political fall-out, the odds of a plea bargain go up.

    Don't be surprised if Kilpatrick cops a plea well before the September preliminary exam.

    Interesting information....there seems to be so much out there lately in bits and pieces.  Thanks Mia

    MiaMia - Where did this come from? Wow, would explain a lot of the apparent panicking of Kwame and his overpriced mouthpieces! Plus the suggestions by Beatty's pastor - putting the feelers out there, backed up by MM putting his feelers out. Hmmmmm.

    Wouldn't be a bad thing necessarily, depending of the agreement made. Timing is everything. If he resigned before the plea was finalized then he could run for Mayor again.

    I hope that he does some prison time, a couple years at least.

    THIS WAS WRITTEN BY NOLAN FINLEY   (detroit news)

  •  05-18-2008, 9:13 AM 3017475 in reply to 3017440

    Re: 4 hours

    Life in PRISON for that low life thug, nothing less does it deserve...........
  •  05-18-2008, 9:20 AM 3017488 in reply to 3017475

    Re: 4 hours

    Gene210:
    Life in PRISON for that low life thug, nothing less does it deserve...........

    all he can get from worthy's charges is 15 yrs the most.

    BUT! The feds can get him for more , if you read the morning paper

  •  05-18-2008, 9:58 AM 3017542 in reply to 3017488

    Re: 4 hours

    miamia:

    Gene210:
    Life in PRISON for that low life thug, nothing less does it deserve...........

    all he can get from worthy's charges is 15 yrs the most.

    BUT! The feds can get him for more , if you read the morning paper

    They'll be knocking on his door, I think, real soon - probably by years end. With the Fed's conviction rate, and the myriad of charges he'll be gone a long time.

    Even with sentencing guidelines and good behavior (which for a guy like Kwame, won't be easy - unless because of his notoriety they put him in solitary) he'll be gone for a while.

  •  05-18-2008, 10:04 AM 3017551 in reply to 3017542

    Re: Good morning

    Everyone enjoy the day!

    I made another error with names.  RE: Kim Worthy's opponents...I was thinking about Cheecks opponents.  Needless to say I still can't remember the names.

  •  05-18-2008, 10:10 AM 3017558 in reply to 3011144

    Re: Kwame is scared of those texts getting out

    Kimberley:
    miamia:

    patersons:
    Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick has implemented a new policy that text messages sent on city-owned devices are considered private    I wonder what else he is trying to hide.  Hmmmmm.

    If they are considered private, why is the city and taxpayers are paying for them, each individual should pay for their own would save the city some money

    Exactly Miamia...good point.

    Where is LizMurdo/TeDBare/Newguy/Firevixen?????  Anybody see them on any other forums?

     

    I am here, trying desperately to play catch up on all the posts I've missed.  I had to read about 30 pages of the "old" thread and now I'm working my way through 24 pages of this newer thread. 

    My mother is not well and I've been busy with her and work and...life in general, I guess :)

    I loved that kk made the policy change that texts and communications on city-owned or leased devices are "private."  Yup, he just undid all his lawyers have been working so hard to spin for weeks...

  •  05-18-2008, 10:17 AM 3017571 in reply to 3017401

    Re: Free Press Article

    OncRN:

    So this is why the hustler kwamster wants the power to handle grants ahead of City council - he's got a long history of diverting funds. Check out the Freep article.

    http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080518/NEWS01/805180596

    Kilpatrick helped friends get grants

    Money also trickled down to his wife, records show

    BY DAWSON BELL, JIM SCHAEFER and M.L. ELRICK • FREE PRESS STAFF WRITERS • May 18, 2008

    The year before he was elected Detroit mayor in 2001, state Rep. Kwame Kilpatrick steered state grants to two Detroit nonprofit agencies that in turn agreed to pay $175,000 of the grant money to a company owned by Kilpatrick's wife, according to records obtained by the Free Press.

    One grant was to a nonprofit formed by Kilpatrick's friend Bobby Ferguson and the other was to a group run by the Rev. Edgar Vann, who then was Kilpatrick's pastor.

    The state eventually terminated half of Ferguson's $500,000 grant, citing inappropriate spending, including buying a house, and failure to document how the money was being spent.

    By then, Ferguson's firm had paid $100,000 to a company called U.N.I.T.E. Co. Inc. that Carlita Kilpatrick, the mayor's wife, incorporated in July 2000. Carlita Kilpatrick is listed as the president of U.N.I.T.E. on the incorporation papers. No other names are listed. U.N.I.T.E.'s incorporation papers were filed three weeks after Ferguson's nonprofit faxed its grant application to state officials from Kwame Kilpatrick's office at the Capitol.

    Vann's program had agreed to pay U.N.I.T.E. $75,000 from its grant, but paid only $37,500, said the then-executive director of the program, after state officials raised objections about the propriety of compensating Carlita Kilpatrick's company with a state grant her husband helped secure. Vann praised the work his nonprofit has done in Detroit.

    The two grants were among 82 totaling $18 million that the Legislature and then-Gov. John Engler approved in June 2000 for a program to enhance the arts, culture and quality of life across Michigan. At the time, the economy was booming and the state was awash in tax revenues.

    Steering grants to friends or even family is not illegal unless there's a kickback.

    Mayor praises wife's work

    Kilpatrick's office issued a statement to the Free Press late Friday afternoon praising work with the grants.

    "The First Lady's U.N.I.T.E., which did excellent work in the schools by providing nonviolent education, mentoring young girls, and coaching basketball, provided all of its services with a high amount of dignity and respect," the statement said. "The teachers, principals and students who participated in the program can all attest to U.N.I.T.E.'s great work."

    Bobby Ferguson was unavailable for comment this week, an aide said. Ferguson did not respond to voice mails or e-mails. Ferguson's wife, Marilyn, also could not be reached. Ferguson's attorney, Avery Williams, sent the Free Press an e-mail Saturday, saying: "We hope that good press would not be in the business of soliciting stories from regulatory officials on ancient matters and thereby creating controversy where there should be none!"

    Dan DeGrow, the state Senate majority leader involved in the negotiations that created the grants, learned details of Kilpatrick's role this week from the Free Press. He said what Kwame Kilpatrick did was "flat-out wrong."

    "We would never have gone along with it if we had known about it," said DeGrow, referring to Republicans who controlled state government at the time.

    Judy Nadler, a professor of government ethics at Santa Clara University in California, agreed.

    "The bottom line is that what you can do in a privately held company or family business you can't do in the public sector," Nadler said. "It's wrong. It undermines public trust. It's not fair to competitors. It's not fair to the public."

    Kilpatrick's statement did not address the question of whether it was proper to steer a grant to his wife and friends.

    Regardless of how anyone would rate Carlita Kilpatrick's work, it is unlikely that either grant would have been approved had state officials known that the wife of the state representative who pushed through the grants was directly benefiting, Department of Management and Budget spokeswoman Leslee Fritz said last week.

    DeGrow, along with several state budget officials who spoke on the condition they not be identified, said they weren't made aware Carlita Kilpatrick would get a six-figure subcontract.

    Kilpatrick's role in getting state grants that brought business to his wife comes to light as the embattled mayor is facing eight felony charges of perjury and other offenses in connection with a text message scandal. The City Council moved last week to begin a process to remove the second-term chief executive from office.

    State learns of subcontracts

    Months after the grants were issued, state budget officials learned that Ferguson's Detroit Three Dimensional Community Development Corp. (Detroit 3D), and Vann's Vanguard Community Development Corp. had subcontracted with Carlita Kilpatrick.

    Detroit 3D, headed by Ferguson and his wife, Marilyn, paid $100,000 to Carlita Kilpatrick's consulting firm, U.N.I.T.E., to provide eight months (at $12,500 per month) of character education and conflict resolution skills to students in unspecified Detroit schools.

    The money came from a $250,000 grant issued to Detroit 3D in September 2000 to provide unspecified help to young people and senior citizens. Detroit 3D was to get another $250,000 in 2001.

    Carlita Kilpatrick became a conflict resolution consultant after moving to Detroit in the mid-1990s, after graduating from Florida A&M University, where she met her future husband.

    The Ferguson project was described vaguely in the grant application as a way to "provide a wide scope of services to residents who do not have access or knowledge of many services available to them."

    More than two years after the Detroit 3D grant was approved, and after state officials repeatedly pleaded with the company to provide evidence of what it was doing with the money, then-budget director Don Gilmer canceled the second $250,000 installment.

    In a letter to Ferguson's wife, Gilmer said he concluded that the initial $250,000 had been spent for unauthorized purposes and that Detroit 3D had failed to document other spending.

    "I am not comfortable that the intended purpose of this grant has been met, and, therefore, believe the release of any additional funds would not be in the best interests of the State of Michigan," he wrote.

    Among the 82 grants, the one to Detroit 3D was the only one that lost money for poor performance, state budget officials said.

    Invoice sought $200 an hour

    The second grant earmarked by Kilpatrick went to Vanguard Community Development Corp. for programs promoting the arts on the north side of Detroit. Vanguard received two installments of $150,000 each from the state. State officials said there were fewer concerns about that grant.

    Donna Givens Williams, who at the time was the executive director of Vanguard, said this week the nonprofit paid Carlita Kilpatrick's company using other money it had raised, once state regulators raised concerns about using state money to pay U.N.I.T.E.'s invoice -- signed by Carlita Kilpatrick -- for $75,000.

    The invoice based the contract payment, in part, on getting $200 an hour for developing a curriculum for character education and alternatives to violence.

    She said a program on conflict resolution that Carlita Kilpatrick proposed for Sherrard Elementary in Detroit never got off the ground. Williams blamed the school administration for rejecting the program, not Carlita Kilpatrick.

    Williams said she hired Carlita Kilpatrick after she was introduced to her by her husband, then a state representative. Williams said Kwame Kilpatrick did not force her to make the hire.

    "I met her, I liked her," Williams said. "She did some work. It probably wasn't $37,500 worth of work ... there were a lot of challenging circumstances that weren't her fault. ... If I had felt she wasn't committed, I would have had a real issue."

    Tutoring and housing

    Vann said his nonprofit has provided cultural education, tutoring and housing in a desolate patch just east of New Center in Detroit.

    "We have great programs at Vanguard," he said. "We're very proud of it."

    Vanguard's grant application also was submitted Aug. 31, 2000 -- just one day before a news release from Engler's office announced the approval of the 82 projects from a field of 550 applicants. The release said that "due to the high level of interest, there were many worthy projects that did not receive funding."

    On June 22, 2000, Kwame Kilpatrick, then the second highest ranking Democrat in the state House, wrote to then-State Budget Director Mary Lannoye and thanked her for giving consideration to the Detroit 3D and Vanguard grants. Neither nonprofit had submitted grant applications at that point.

    "These organizations are doing excellent work," Kilpatrick wrote.

    Kilpatrick's two projects, especially Detroit 3D, stood out among the grants for their lack of detail on how the money would be spent, according to state budget officials who reviewed the applications.

    Under "project description," the Vanguard application said it planned to use the grant "through the Aspire Community Arts Program" for training low-income Detroit residents in the performing arts. They said they would do performances at Vann's Second Ebenezer church and the now-closed Sherrard school, near I-75 north of I-94.

    Tutoring and mediation

    In preparing Detroit 3D's application, Marilyn Ferguson wrote that it would provide "peer mediation" and "tutoring for the youth," and "meals and assistance" for poor senior citizens.

    After issuing the grant, officials tried repeatedly to verify that the work was done.

    After the first $250,000 payment to Detroit 3D in September 2000, state records show the next contact with the company came when a letter from Marilyn Ferguson, who at this point was signing correspondence Marilyn Johnson (her maiden name), arrived in June 2001 at the state budget office. The letter assured that the first $250,000 has been utilized, and requested the next installment.

    Marilyn Ferguson cited the same language from earlier correspondence in trying to explain what her nonprofit was doing with the money. "The first half of the grant was used to begin Conflict Resolution, Peer Mediation and Self-Esteem Workshops in the community elementary schools," she wrote.

    Detroit 3D also purchased a duplex to house homeless senior citizens, she wrote.

    The letter was accompanied by what appears to be an adding machine slip with a column of figures totaling $249,435.89, and copies of checks to various companies and a bank draft for $100,000 to U.N.I.T.E. Carlita Kilpatrick's company.

    No more money

    On Aug. 24, 2001, state budget official Philip Alderfer replied in a letter that the next $250,000 would not be released until Johnson explained why expenditures had apparently been made for "purposes outside the scope of the grant."

    Four months later, having not heard from Johnson, Alderfer's successor asked again for documentation and notifyed Detroit 3D that if the company didn't produce something by Jan. 15, the budget office would "seek recovery of these funds."

    The final correspondence in the Detroit 3D file is from Gilmer on Nov. 14, 2002, informing Detroit 3D that the second installment would not be forthcoming.

    "I am not comfortable that the intended purpose of this grant has been met," Gilmer said.

    In a telephone interview earlier this month, Gilmer said he couldn't recall the specific grant. But by November 2002, the outlines of the still-acute state budget crisis were becoming clear, he said.

    "We were looking for any money we could find," Gilmer said. Cutting off Detroit 3D was probably not a tough call, he said.

    The state did not seek recovery of what it said were misspent funds. By then, state Rep. Kwame Kilpatrick was Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick.

    Contact DAWSON BELL at 313-222-6609 or dbell@freepress.com or JIM SCHAEFER at 313-223-4542 or jschaefer@freepress.com or M.L. ELRICK at 313-222-6582 or mlelrick@freepress.com. Staff writer Jennifer Dixon and Library Director Alice Pepper contributed to this report.

     

    I don't know about the rest of you, but I could not read this article in its entirety.  I had to read a little, take a break,  check e-mail, read a little more, go to other websites, get more coffee, read a little more, watch a little TV, etc.  It was simply too much to fathom all at once!

    How a person dedicated to "public service" could rip off his state to this extent is just unbelievable.  And the fact that there is such little oversight allowing this type of thing to go on is also beyond belief.  I used to have to write justifications to acquire funds for facility projects (at a corporation), and had to justify expenditures to a much greater extent than does government, apparently.  Our proposals would be scrutinized up to very highest levels of our division as to whether the project could be rationalized.  

    Thank God SOMEONE finally put a stop to some of this waste at some point.  But just think about it - this type of theft goes on at all levels of government to this day, with our tax dollars! 

    In this article, most of the work was in the line of education - maybe not direct "schooling" per se, but topics peripheral to education ("character development", if you can believe that, "cultural education", "tutoring").  With the Detroit Public Schools in CONSTANT financial disarray, you'd think programs such as outlined in the article MAY come along to help fill the gaps.  Instead, they just make matters worse.

    Goverment at all levels all seems to feel that just throwing more money at ANY problem will solve that problem.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  It seems that all that additional money and funding does is attract more people who can abuse the system.  When people get the funding for programs, the rest of the world is under the impression that something to alleviate these problems is actually being done.  But sadly, we know that is not the case. 

    This was an extremely upsetting article, that's for sure.  

  •  05-18-2008, 10:18 AM 3017575 in reply to 3015892

    Re: Free Press Article

    Kathy 1007:
    GLDDET:

    To meemeemy:

       A sentence is a significant portion of speech. Some parts of which have an independant meaning. That is to say, as an utterance. Though not as the expression of any positive judgement. Every sentence has meaning. Not as being the natural, means by which a physical faculty is realized. But, as we have said, by convention.

       Yet every sentence is not a proposition; only such are propositions as have in them either truth, or falsity. Thus a prayer is a sentence, but is neither true, nor false. Let us therefore dismiss all other types of sentence but the proposition. For this last concerns our present inquiry. Whereas the investigation of others belongs rather to the study of rhetoric, or of  poetry.  (Aristotle  350  B.C.)

       Sociopath  n.  A psycopath exhitbiting aggressive antisocial behavior.

       That is just one definition in the dictionary. And I don't feel like attempting to research the clinical definitions. Name calling doesn't make anything go away. For whatever your reasons are to justify that you don't like Kilpatrick, and what he did we get it. And crucifiction from the Poll Of Public Opinion rarely solves a circumstance. All it is, is a different way to vent frustration over the issue. And the quote by Aristotle was just to show that problems of today have been here long before we had to deal with them. A problem is a problem no matter when the time is. Kilpatrick isn't the first elected offical in power over the City of  Detroit who has made transgressions. So stop acting like it. 

    Sorry folks I can’t pass this one up. I am constantly astounded at how insensitive and downright cruel people are at times. Are you trying to impress everyone with your knowledge or something? Honestly if you just talked like a real person and relaxed you would make more sense. There are words for people like this… Gee can you help me? As my Mother would say, she’s passed away so don’t go there, get off your high horse and put your feet back on the ground. You ain’t no better than anyone else here!!!!

    Kathy, girl, THANKYOU, for paraphrasing what I posted on the other forum some time ago!  I know you weren't paraphrasing by intent, but the message is the same!  Some folks make a feeble attempt at intellect and like to wear their credentials on their sleeve.  This is a blatant sign of INSECURITY.  I REPEAT, it is one thing to be THOUGHT STUPID then OPEN YOUR MOUTH AND REMOVE ALL DOUBT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  •  05-18-2008, 10:18 AM 3017576 in reply to 3017558

    Write city council!

    This is the letter I sent council today regarding the story in today's Free Press.

    Council Members,
     
     
    I am referencing the article from Sundays Free Press.
    Bobby Ferguson, with the help of Kwame and Carlita Kilpatrick stole $250,000 in grant money from the state of Michigan. This grant money was supposed to help house and feed elderly Detroit residents. Ferguson bought a house with the money and proceeded to rent it out to young renters.
    How does this mayor and his friends and family sleep at night knowing they have stolen money from elderly residents to line their own pockets? More to the point, HOW DO YOU COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT VOTED TO KEEP THIS LYIN, CHEATIN, STEALIN MAYOR IN OFFICE SLEEP AT NIGHT? I will work as hard as I can to ensure that Monica Conyers, Barbara Rose Collins and Martha Reeves are NOT re-elected to council. If you are supporting Kwame after all this then you must be hiding your own dirty deeds. Maybe Kwame stole some senior citizen money for you as well.
    Kwame and his rotten group of friends and family have to go!
     
    ____________________________________________________________________
    I would suggest that if anyone wishes to get some changes done you need to keep riding this council. It's all well and good to gripe and maon in this forum but you need to get the message to the proper folks. Council doesn't have time to read every blog and forum out there. Their email addresses are as follows.....
    "Ken Cockrel" <cockrelk.cncl.council@kcockrel.ci.detroit.mi.us>, "Shiela Cockrel" <s-cockrel_mb@ckrl.ci.detroit.mi.us>, "Barbara Rose Collins" <collins_mb@cncl.ci.detroit.mi.us>, "Monica Conyers" <riddles@cncl.ci.detroit.mi.us>, "Brenda Jones" <bjones_mb@cncl.ci.detroit.mi.us>, "Kwame Kenyatta" <k-kenyatta_mb@cncl.ci.detroit.mi.us>, "Martha Reeves" <m-reeves_mb@cncl.ci.detroit.mi.us>, "Alberta Tinsley-Talabi" <a_talabi_mb@atwpo.ci.detroit.mi.us>, "Joanne Watson" <watsonj_mb@cncl.ci.detroit.mi.us>
  •  05-18-2008, 10:24 AM 3017592 in reply to 3017575

    Re: Free Press Article

    Boomer:
    Kathy 1007:
    GLDDET:

    To meemeemy:

       A sentence is a significant portion of speech. Some parts of which have an independant meaning. That is to say, as an utterance. Though not as the expression of any positive judgement. Every sentence has meaning. Not as being the natural, means by which a physical faculty is realized. But, as we have said, by convention.

       Yet every sentence is not a proposition; only such are propositions as have in them either truth, or falsity. Thus a prayer is a sentence, but is neither true, nor false. Let us therefore dismiss all other types of sentence but the proposition. For this last concerns our present inquiry. Whereas the investigation of others belongs rather to the study of rhetoric, or of  poetry.  (Aristotle  350  B.C.)

       Sociopath  n.  A psycopath exhitbiting aggressive antisocial behavior.

       That is just one definition in the dictionary. And I don't feel like attempting to research the clinical definitions. Name calling doesn't make anything go away. For whatever your reasons are to justify that you don't like Kilpatrick, and what he did we get it. And crucifiction from the Poll Of Public Opinion rarely solves a circumstance. All it is, is a different way to vent frustration over the issue. And the quote by Aristotle was just to show that problems of today have been here long before we had to deal with them. A problem is a problem no matter when the time is. Kilpatrick isn't the first elected offical in power over the City of  Detroit who has made transgressions. So stop acting like it. 

    Sorry folks I can’t pass this one up. I am constantly astounded at how insensitive and downright cruel people are at times. Are you trying to impress everyone with your knowledge or something? Honestly if you just talked like a real person and relaxed you would make more sense. There are words for people like this… Gee can you help me? As my Mother would say, she’s passed away so don’t go there, get off your high horse and put your feet back on the ground. You ain’t no better than anyone else here!!!!

    Kathy, girl, THANKYOU, for paraphrasing what I posted on the other forum some time ago!  I know you weren't paraphrasing by intent, but the message is the same!  Some folks make a feeble attempt at intellect and like to wear their credentials on their sleeve.  This is a blatant sign of INSECURITY.  I REPEAT, it is one thing to be THOUGHT STUPID then OPEN YOUR MOUTH AND REMOVE ALL DOUBT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    As my grandfather used to say "They are using a lot of ten dollar words to express a ten cent thought."
  •  05-18-2008, 10:29 AM 3017607 in reply to 3013149

    Re: BILL COSBY SPEAKS..

    miamia:

    Here is the guy that should be our first black president

    'They're standing on the corner and they can't speak English. I can't even talk the way these people talk:
    Why you ain't,
    Where you is,
    What he drive,
    Where he stay,
    Where he work,
    Who you be...

    And I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk.
    And then I heard the father talk.
    Everybody knows it's important to speak English
    except these knuckleheads. You can't be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth.

    In fact you will never get any kind of job making a decent living. People marched and were hit in the face with rocks to get an education, and now we've got these knuckleheads walking around.

    The lower economic people are not holding up their end in this deal.
    These people are not parenting. They are buying things for kids. $500 sneakers for what??
    And they won't spend $200 for Hooked on Phonics.
    I am talking about these people who cry when their son is standing there in an orange suit.
    Where were you when he was 2??
    Where were you when he was 12??
    Where were you when he was 18 and how come you didn't know that he had a pistol??
    And where is the father?? Or who is his father?
    People putting their clothes on backward:
    Isn't that a sign of something gone wrong?
    People with their hats on backward, pants down around the crack, isn't that a sign of something?
    Or are you waiting for Jesus to pull his pants up?
    Isn't it a sign of something when she has her dress all the way up and got all type of needles [piercing] going through her body? What part of Africa did this come from??
    We are not Africans. Those people are not Africans; they don't know a thing about Africa .
    With names like Shaniqua, Taliqua and Mohammed and all of that crap, and all of them are in jail.
    Brown or black versus the Board of Education is no longer the white person's problem.
    We have got to take the neighborhood back.
    People used to be ashamed. Today a woman has eight children with eight different 'husbands' -- or men or whatever you call them now.
    We have millionaire football players who cannot read.
    We have million-dollar basketball players who can't write two paragraphs. We, as black folks have to do a better job. Someone working at Wal-Mart with seven kids, you are hurting us.
    We have to start holding each other to a higher standard.

    We cannot blame the white people any longer.'


    Dr. William Henry 'Bill' Cosby, Jr., Ed.D.

    I have long admired Bill Cosby's brass cajones to stand up as a black man and say what we all know to be true.  I do wish he'd run for some sort of office, or that the media would give his thoughts and comments as much airtime as they give things like multi-million dollar basketball contracts won by high school kids or Britney's latest crotch-bearing incident...

  •  05-18-2008, 10:34 AM 3017621 in reply to 3017592

    Re: Free Press Article

    taxpayer:
    Boomer:
    Kathy 1007:
    GLDDET:

    To meemeemy:

       A sentence is a significant portion of speech. Some parts of which have an independant meaning. That is to say, as an utterance. Though not as the expression of any positive judgement. Every sentence has meaning. Not as being the natural, means by which a physical faculty is realized. But, as we have said, by convention.

       Yet every sentence is not a proposition; only such are propositions as have in them either truth, or falsity. Thus a prayer is a sentence, but is neither true, nor false. Let us therefore dismiss all other types of sentence but the proposition. For this last concerns our present inquiry. Whereas the investigation of others belongs rather to the study of rhetoric, or of  poetry.  (Aristotle  350  B.C.)

       Sociopath  n.  A psycopath exhitbiting aggressive antisocial behavior.

       That is just one definition in the dictionary. And I don't feel like attempting to research the clinical definitions. Name calling doesn't make anything go away. For whatever your reasons are to justify that you don't like Kilpatrick, and what he did we get it. And crucifiction from the Poll Of Public Opinion rarely solves a circumstance. All it is, is a different way to vent frustration over the issue. And the quote by Aristotle was just to show that problems of today have been here long before we had to deal with them. A problem is a problem no matter when the time is. Kilpatrick isn't the first elected offical in power over the City of  Detroit who has made transgressions. So stop acting like it. 

    Sorry folks I can’t pass this one up. I am constantly astounded at how insensitive and downright cruel people are at times. Are you trying to impress everyone with your knowledge or something? Honestly if you just talked like a real person and relaxed you would make more sense. There are words for people like this… Gee can you help me? As my Mother would say, she’s passed away so don’t go there, get off your high horse and put your feet back on the ground. You ain’t no better than anyone else here!!!!

    Kathy, girl, THANKYOU, for paraphrasing what I posted on the other forum some time ago!  I know you weren't paraphrasing by intent, but the message is the same!  Some folks make a feeble attempt at intellect and like to wear their credentials on their sleeve.  This is a blatant sign of INSECURITY.  I REPEAT, it is one thing to be THOUGHT STUPID then OPEN YOUR MOUTH AND REMOVE ALL DOUBT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    As my grandfather used to say "They are using a lot of ten dollar words to express a ten cent thought."
    Tax, we must of had the same grandfather - haven't heard that since he died. Still true today.
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