Instant rebate:

City Council member Barbara Rose Collins has her own problems with "Inner City  Sub Center" which is a corrupt story in itself. And.......she has her boyfriend, housekeeper, grand daughters mother, grandson and a host of other relatives on the city pay-roll.  What a joke.  She says her vote "can't be bought" but Kwame bought her a $15.00 diner on taxpayers money and she changed her vote yesterday. Hypocrit!

Wow, that is interesting - do you have names for all these "friends and relatives" on the payroll?

   Keo10, I had expressed my opinions in reference to Ken Cockrell Jr's ability to take Kilpatrick's place temporarily. Do you at this time still feel as though Cockrell is the man to take Kilpatrick's place in the event of an early ouster ??  I do realize at the time I raised the questionable statements I was still a Newbie to the Forum though. Now that the spotlight is on him will, or do you have a change of attitude in reference to Cockrell ??  Because once again something was going on he knew NOTHING about, what a coincidence ??  Yet he reported to work everyday business as usual.

GLDDET:

   Keo10, I had expressed my opinions in reference to Ken Cockrell Jr's ability to take Kilpatrick's place temporarily. Do you at this time still feel as though Cockrell is the man to take Kilpatrick's place in the event of an early ouster ??  I do realize at the time I raised the questionable statements I was still a Newbie to the Forum though. Now that the spotlight is on him will, or do you have a change of attitude in reference to Cockrell ??  Because once again something was going on he knew NOTHING about, what a coincidence ??  Yet he reported to work everyday business as usual.

GLDDET it not about who will replace KK it is a matter of when he will be replaced.

wyzeman:

GLDDET:

   Keo10, I had expressed my opinions in reference to Ken Cockrell Jr's ability to take Kilpatrick's place temporarily. Do you at this time still feel as though Cockrell is the man to take Kilpatrick's place in the event of an early ouster ??  I do realize at the time I raised the questionable statements I was still a Newbie to the Forum though. Now that the spotlight is on him will, or do you have a change of attitude in reference to Cockrell ??  Because once again something was going on he knew NOTHING about, what a coincidence ??  Yet he reported to work everyday business as usual.

GLDDET it not about who will replace KK it is a matter of when he will be replaced.

 

Duh!!  No let's keep the mayor forever since we can't be sure someone else may not be worse!!  Just the action of putting a thug out because of his actions will put other "possible" thugs on notice, and help insure proper performance.  It is not about who will replace KK.  It IS about getting him out the door.

GLDDET:

   Keo10, I had expressed my opinions in reference to Ken Cockrell Jr's ability to take Kilpatrick's place temporarily. Do you at this time still feel as though Cockrell is the man to take Kilpatrick's place in the event of an early ouster ??  I do realize at the time I raised the questionable statements I was still a Newbie to the Forum though. Now that the spotlight is on him will, or do you have a change of attitude in reference to Cockrell ??  Because once again something was going on he knew NOTHING about, what a coincidence ??  Yet he reported to work everyday business as usual.

wyzeman:

GLDDET:

   Keo10, I had expressed my opinions in reference to Ken Cockrell Jr's ability to take Kilpatrick's place temporarily. Do you at this time still feel as though Cockrell is the man to take Kilpatrick's place in the event of an early ouster ??  I do realize at the time I raised the questionable statements I was still a Newbie to the Forum though. Now that the spotlight is on him will, or do you have a change of attitude in reference to Cockrell ??  Because once again something was going on he knew NOTHING about, what a coincidence ??  Yet he reported to work everyday business as usual.

GLDDET it not about who will replace KK it is a matter of when he will be replaced.

 

   And I do respectfully beg to differ with your assessment. It most certainly is about WHO will REPLACE our current Mayor. The City will certainly recover from this administrations short comings, and misgivings. But this goes well beyond the local level for reputation. (In My Opinion) Our next Mayor will have the dubious honor of attempting to regain the dignity of our fair City.

   So before you write off the next Mayor as a nobody with a whole lot of responsibility, think again. Whoever gets elected next year has a double portion of scrutiny to contend with. I for one won't let my guard down as easily as I did for Kilpatrick. And to repeat I DID NOT vote for him in his first term as Mayor. Since NO ONE seems to remember that about me. Just attacking my opinion is more important than doing just a little fact finding first.

   So if seeing my original post doesn't help you to understand my question a little better along with it's date. At least it will explain why keo10 refuses to answer my question. Again this is a Forum, a public place or medium for open discussion. I can always appreciate an opposing viewpoint.

reverend G:

wyzeman:

GLDDET:

   Keo10, I had expressed my opinions in reference to Ken Cockrell Jr's ability to take Kilpatrick's place temporarily. Do you at this time still feel as though Cockrell is the man to take Kilpatrick's place in the event of an early ouster ??  I do realize at the time I raised the questionable statements I was still a Newbie to the Forum though. Now that the spotlight is on him will, or do you have a change of attitude in reference to Cockrell ??  Because once again something was going on he knew NOTHING about, what a coincidence ??  Yet he reported to work everyday business as usual.

GLDDET it not about who will replace KK it is a matter of when he will be replaced.

 

Duh!!  No let's keep the mayor forever since we can't be sure someone else may not be worse!!  Just the action of putting a thug out because of his actions will put other "possible" thugs on notice, and help insure proper performance.  It is not about who will replace KK.  It IS about getting him out the door.

 

   I have said this before name calling is childish. The truth always comes to the light of day. Ironically never before. Sometimes during, but most assuredly after the fact. There are a few more of my posts I could bring up to re-iterate my sentiment, but it seemed wasted even then. Your comments are just that, your comments. And let me be clear you are entitled to them. But, in the same breath so am I.

   Let's take what you are saying at face value for now. Sentence #1    "Duh!!"   If that's not right out of Homer Simpsons' mouth I don't know what that could possibly mean.  Sentence #2   "No let's keep the Mayor forever since we can't be sure someone else may not be worse!!"   Again if you do not believe in the Judicial process why don't you take the liberties you see fit in YOUR day to day efforts. Why should Kilpatrick have all the fun at being a low-life at the people of the City of Detroit's expense.

   Sentence #3    "Just the action of putting a thug out because of his actions will put other "possible" thugs on notice, and help insure proper performance."    You need to come back to planet Earth and live with the real homo sapiens. Just like Prostitution is the "oldest" profession there is NO WAY to guarantee someone's integrity. Life is an on-going training session. And any individual who can't honestly say that they don't learn something new on a regular basis, is simply an ostrich.

   Sentence #4   "It's not about who will replace KK."     Again I respectfully beg to differ with you on that. The reputation of this City depends on his replacement. The City of Detroit is bigger that ANY politician. But, it is ONLY as good as the one that is in place. Kilpatrick is the reason why this City is being reflected once again in a negative light, not the citizens. And thanks to the FBI probes so are the City's Common Council. So it may not mean anything to you, but it does to me.

   Sentence #5   "It IS about getting him out the door."    Again the focus is misplaced. Any dummy would realize that ALL it takes is ONE COUNT for him to be found GUILTY of period. Why do you think Prosecuter's always have more than one count when they go after the alleged criminal. Innocent until Proven guilty, at least that's how it is supposed to work. From last September up until now the evidence is just piling up in the Prosecuter's favor. Yet NO ONE seems to be satisfied that the Prosecuter has an air tight case against the Mayor.

   So instead it's all about name calling, and what ever else that comes to mind like Jr. High and High school children in Study Hall. In reality the Mayor is going to be convicted. There are too many pieces of evidence for him not to. But, to continually go on, and on in the child-like manner as some people are about it is just that. In real life when you do the crime, and get convicted you do the time. And from where I sit Kilpatrick is going to do some heavy time. Attempting to make him look like a bafoon in characture may be funny to some. At the end of the day he is still a man who made many mistakes, and soon he will pay for those mistakes. Too bad he had to practically ruin a City in doing so.

   Considering your response had nothing to do with Cockrel and my ORIGINAL question, I hope my response to YOU was sufficient reverend G.   

GLDDET:

reverend G:

wyzeman:

GLDDET:

   Keo10, I had expressed my opinions in reference to Ken Cockrell Jr's ability to take Kilpatrick's place temporarily. Do you at this time still feel as though Cockrell is the man to take Kilpatrick's place in the event of an early ouster ??  I do realize at the time I raised the questionable statements I was still a Newbie to the Forum though. Now that the spotlight is on him will, or do you have a change of attitude in reference to Cockrell ??  Because once again something was going on he knew NOTHING about, what a coincidence ??  Yet he reported to work everyday business as usual.

GLDDET it not about who will replace KK it is a matter of when he will be replaced.

 

Duh!!  No let's keep the mayor forever since we can't be sure someone else may not be worse!!  Just the action of putting a thug out because of his actions will put other "possible" thugs on notice, and help insure proper performance.  It is not about who will replace KK.  It IS about getting him out the door.

 

   I have said this before name calling is childish. The truth always comes to the light of day. Ironically never before. Sometimes during, but most assuredly after the fact. There are a few more of my posts I could bring up to re-iterate my sentiment, but it seemed wasted even then. Your comments are just that, your comments. And let me be clear you are entitled to them. But, in the same breath so am I.

   Let's take what you are saying at face value for now. Sentence #1    "Duh!!"   If that's not right out of Homer Simpsons' mouth I don't know what that could possibly mean.  Sentence #2   "No let's keep the Mayor forever since we can't be sure someone else may not be worse!!"   Again if you do not believe in the Judicial process why don't you take the liberties you see fit in YOUR day to day efforts. Why should Kilpatrick have all the fun at being a low-life at the people of the City of Detroit's expense.

   Sentence #3    "Just the action of putting a thug out because of his actions will put other "possible" thugs on notice, and help insure proper performance."    You need to come back to planet Earth and live with the real homo sapiens. Just like Prostitution is the "oldest" profession there is NO WAY to guarantee someone's integrity. Life is an on-going training session. And any individual who can't honestly say that they don't learn something new on a regular basis, is simply an ostrich.

   Sentence #4   "It's not about who will replace KK."     Again I respectfully beg to differ with you on that. The reputation of this City depends on his replacement. The City of Detroit is bigger that ANY politician. But, it is ONLY as good as the one that is in place. Kilpatrick is the reason why this City is being reflected once again in a negative light, not the citizens. And thanks to the FBI probes so are the City's Common Council. So it may not mean anything to you, but it does to me.

   Sentence #5   "It IS about getting him out the door."    Again the focus is misplaced. Any dummy would realize that ALL it takes is ONE COUNT for him to be found GUILTY of period. Why do you think Prosecuter's always have more than one count when they go after the alleged criminal. Innocent until Proven guilty, at least that's how it is supposed to work. From last September up until now the evidence is just piling up in the Prosecuter's favor. Yet NO ONE seems to be satisfied that the Prosecuter has an air tight case against the Mayor.

   So instead it's all about name calling, and what ever else that comes to mind like Jr. High and High school children in Study Hall. In reality the Mayor is going to be convicted. There are too many pieces of evidence for him not to. But, to continually go on, and on in the child-like manner as some people are about it is just that. In real life when you do the crime, and get convicted you do the time. And from where I sit Kilpatrick is going to do some heavy time. Attempting to make him look like a bafoon in characture may be funny to some. At the end of the day he is still a man who made many mistakes, and soon he will pay for those mistakes. Too bad he had to practically ruin a City in doing so.

   Considering your response had nothing to do with Cockrel and my ORIGINAL question, I hope my response to YOU was sufficient reverend G.   

 

Actually, Homer Simpson says "Doh", not "Duh".  I guess I could have said worse things, perhaps tossed racial epithets, but in not being a mayor, I would be taken to task for it.  Besides that, race baiting is not my style.

Truth be told, this reply did address your concerns regarding Ken Cockrel.  I pointed out that ANY person is better qualified than Kwame Kilpatrick for the position he occupies.  If Mr. Cockrel is in the position to replace him, your debate on his qualifications is moot.  The first question, and the only one that really is of consideration, is that of Kwame's abilities.  As Kwame has reminded everyone so many times, the City Charter rules on many matters, including mayoral succession.  To imply that we should keep someone detrimental in office rather than remove him is inane.  Your reasoning is faulty.

reverend G:

GLDDET:

reverend G:

wyzeman:

GLDDET:

   Keo10, I had expressed my opinions in reference to Ken Cockrell Jr's ability to take Kilpatrick's place temporarily. Do you at this time still feel as though Cockrell is the man to take Kilpatrick's place in the event of an early ouster ??  I do realize at the time I raised the questionable statements I was still a Newbie to the Forum though. Now that the spotlight is on him will, or do you have a change of attitude in reference to Cockrell ??  Because once again something was going on he knew NOTHING about, what a coincidence ??  Yet he reported to work everyday business as usual.

GLDDET it not about who will replace KK it is a matter of when he will be replaced.

Duh!!  No let's keep the mayor forever since we can't be sure someone else may not be worse!!  Just the action of putting a thug out because of his actions will put other "possible" thugs on notice, and help insure proper performance.  It is not about who will replace KK.  It IS about getting him out the door.

 

   I have said this before name calling is childish. The truth always comes to the light of day. Ironically never before. Sometimes during, but most assuredly after the fact. There are a few more of my posts I could bring up to re-iterate my sentiment, but it seemed wasted even then. Your comments are just that, your comments. And let me be clear you are entitled to them. But, in the same breath so am I.

   Let's take what you are saying at face value for now. Sentence #1    "Duh!!"   If that's not right out of Homer Simpsons' mouth I don't know what that could possibly mean.  Sentence #2   "No let's keep the Mayor forever since we can't be sure someone else may not be worse!!"   Again if you do not believe in the Judicial process why don't you take the liberties you see fit in YOUR day to day efforts. Why should Kilpatrick have all the fun at being a low-life at the people of the City of Detroit's expense.

   Sentence #3    "Just the action of putting a thug out because of his actions will put other "possible" thugs on notice, and help insure proper performance."    You need to come back to planet Earth and live with the real homo sapiens. Just like Prostitution is the "oldest" profession there is NO WAY to guarantee someone's integrity. Life is an on-going training session. And any individual who can't honestly say that they don't learn something new on a regular basis, is simply an ostrich.

   Sentence #4   "It's not about who will replace KK."     Again I respectfully beg to differ with you on that. The reputation of this City depends on his replacement. The City of Detroit is bigger that ANY politician. But, it is ONLY as good as the one that is in place. Kilpatrick is the reason why this City is being reflected once again in a negative light, not the citizens. And thanks to the FBI probes so are the City's Common Council. So it may not mean anything to you, but it does to me.

   Sentence #5   "It IS about getting him out the door."    Again the focus is misplaced. Any dummy would realize that ALL it takes is ONE COUNT for him to be found GUILTY of period. Why do you think Prosecuter's always have more than one count when they go after the alleged criminal. Innocent until Proven guilty, at least that's how it is supposed to work. From last September up until now the evidence is just piling up in the Prosecuter's favor. Yet NO ONE seems to be satisfied that the Prosecuter has an air tight case against the Mayor.

   So instead it's all about name calling, and what ever else that comes to mind like Jr. High and High school children in Study Hall. In reality the Mayor is going to be convicted. There are too many pieces of evidence for him not to. But, to continually go on, and on in the child-like manner as some people are about it is just that. In real life when you do the crime, and get convicted you do the time. And from where I sit Kilpatrick is going to do some heavy time. Attempting to make him look like a bafoon in characture may be funny to some. At the end of the day he is still a man who made many mistakes, and soon he will pay for those mistakes. Too bad he had to practically ruin a City in doing so.

   Considering your response had nothing to do with Cockrel and my ORIGINAL question, I hope my response to YOU was sufficient reverend G.   

 

Actually, Homer Simpson says "Doh", not "Duh".  I guess I could have said worse things, perhaps tossed racial epithets, but in not being a mayor, I would be taken to task for it.  Besides that, race baiting is not my style.

Truth be told, this reply did address your concerns regarding Ken Cockrel.  I pointed out that ANY person is better qualified than Kwame Kilpatrick for the position he occupies.  If Mr. Cockrel is in the position to replace him, your debate on his qualifications is moot.  The first question, and the only one that really is of consideration, is that of Kwame's abilities.  As Kwame has reminded everyone so many times, the City Charter rules on many matters, including mayoral succession.  To imply that we should keep someone detrimental in office rather than remove him is inane.  Your reasoning is faulty.

 

I suppose I must address your specific allegations, so here goes:

 

There was no name calling.

Second, the judicial process is always a last resort, do you not understand that?  Many shoplifters are never charged, drunk driver's (unfortunately, and less so these days) get "warnings", multiple legal issues involving landlords and tenants never go to court, because legal action is a last resort!

Regularly we hear people asking the citizens to take back their neighborhoods, without legal action.  I say the same for the city!  Just because the mayor has now been subjected to legal ramifications does not mean that people should just roll over and let the system do it's job.  They can still hope to intervene and remove him, the sooner the better.  I never implied that I wanted to act the low-life, like the mayor (your comparison)...how you came to this conclusion is beyond me. 

Sentence #3, so you are telling me that removal of a thug won't put any replacements on notice, yet in a previous post you stated that you would subject any new mayoral candidate to double scrutiny.  I believe your words only prove my point!  Again, you went off topic talking about large flightless birds and continuing education.  So you believe in deterrance, or you don't?  I say when a candidate, or successor, knows the people will act upon him if he does wrong....he is less likely to do wrong!!  Pretty simple, no?

Sentence #4....Yes, it is about removing KK.  You can't replace him until he is gone.  Once he is gone, you may have few choices as to who replaces him, but the first issue is whether or not he needs to be gone.  If you have cancer, would you leave it inside of you, since it may just grow back, or would you remove it?

Sentence #5...It IS about getting him out the door.  I think I have fully explained my reasoning by now.  It is foolishness to rely on the legal system alone.  Continue with efforts to remove him at every front.  A person can be found not guilty, it does not make him innocent.  Possibly no assault would have taken place last week if Kwame were no longer mayor.  Those who choose to play dead and let the legal system snake along slowly, while the virus that is kwame continues to infect the city, deserve the disease they have allowed to fester.  Once a virus has become lethal, it can't be reversed.

 

If you wish to talk about childishness, we can talk about Kwame all you like.  I don't know much about study hall though, I never had one. 

Either no one is READING my ORIGINAL posts, or it's just pick and choose the one's that don't agree with YOUR thought process. Either way, once again I will clear the air, one more time. I was NOT an original supporter of Kwame Kilpatrick NUMBER 1. When he ran for re-election I was NOT in favor of Freeman Hendricks, so I voted for Kilpatrick by default. I am NOT surprised none in the least of what has transpired during his tenure in office. Nor have I EVER accepted, or condoned his risque behavior since BECOMING our Mayor.
   And as for President Cockrell, his turn shall come. And my anger is not just with him. I have enough for Ms. Cockrell, Ms. Conyers, Ms. Watson, and Mr. Kenyatta. And I did vote for each and every one of them. Since the year 2000 I have tried to do my homework on the Candidates I vote for, so that win or lose I have no shame in MY decision. But, in the same breath politricksters, and politicians are easily confused after they get in office. Politics are like a box of chocolates, you never REALLY know what you are going to get sometimes until it's too late.

 

   It's easier for me to respond to you this way. My PREVIOUS posts will say the EXACT same thing. Been there, done that. I don't know why whenever I comment the ones I make get the hellfire and brimstone treatment. I am not, nor have I EVER been A KILPATRICK SUPPORTER. All I have ever said was the man deserves his day(s) in court. And for anyone who automatically thinks I actually give a rats a$$ about Kilpatrick is the idiot.

   I haven't the slightest clue as to what that fool is going through, and nor do I want to. I have had my share of troubles of the "Just Because I'm Black". And guess what it didn't make me a criminal. I'm not bitter, I'm not cursing the world because of it. I'm just thankful that I never ran with a crowd, I didn't have to. I never needed anyone to recognize me. Simply because I was content on who " I " was and am. Life's status symbol has never been important to me. The neighborhood I live in, or the car I drive, or the job I have does not define who I am.

   I determine who and what I am. So whether anybody likes it or not, so what. I am the one who controls MY destiny. And Kilpatrick is the excrement that many blacks get compared to not only by whites, but the rest of the world. And it will always be a sad state of affairs that people do that very thing. I would be an idiot if I felt that every white person should be seen as if they could become Charles Manson. Although over the years many have tried. So it can work both ways with perceptions. It has never been my job to judge another human being. Just be the best one I can be, and the rest will ultimately take care of itself.

GLDDET:

Either no one is READING my ORIGINAL posts, or it's just pick and choose the one's that don't agree with YOUR thought process. Either way, once again I will clear the air, one more time. I was NOT an original supporter of Kwame Kilpatrick NUMBER 1. When he ran for re-election I was NOT in favor of Freeman Hendricks, so I voted for Kilpatrick by default. I am NOT surprised none in the least of what has transpired during his tenure in office. Nor have I EVER accepted, or condoned his risque behavior since BECOMING our Mayor.
   And as for President Cockrell, his turn shall come. And my anger is not just with him. I have enough for Ms. Cockrell, Ms. Conyers, Ms. Watson, and Mr. Kenyatta. And I did vote for each and every one of them. Since the year 2000 I have tried to do my homework on the Candidates I vote for, so that win or lose I have no shame in MY decision. But, in the same breath politricksters, and politicians are easily confused after they get in office. Politics are like a box of chocolates, you never REALLY know what you are going to get sometimes until it's too late.

 

   It's easier for me to respond to you this way. My PREVIOUS posts will say the EXACT same thing. Been there, done that. I don't know why whenever I comment the ones I make get the hellfire and brimstone treatment. I am not, nor have I EVER been A KILPATRICK SUPPORTER. All I have ever said was the man deserves his day(s) in court. And for anyone who automatically thinks I actually give a rats a$$ about Kilpatrick is the idiot.

   I haven't the slightest clue as to what that fool is going through, and nor do I want to. I have had my share of troubles of the "Just Because I'm Black". And guess what it didn't make me a criminal. I'm not bitter, I'm not cursing the world because of it. I'm just thankful that I never ran with a crowd, I didn't have to. I never needed anyone to recognize me. Simply because I was content on who " I " was and am. Life's status symbol has never been important to me. The neighborhood I live in, or the car I drive, or the job I have does not define who I am.

   I determine who and what I am. So whether anybody likes it or not, so what. I am the one who controls MY destiny. And Kilpatrick is the excrement that many blacks get compared to not only by whites, but the rest of the world. And it will always be a sad state of affairs that people do that very thing. I would be an idiot if I felt that every white person should be seen as if they could become Charles Manson. Although over the years many have tried. So it can work both ways with perceptions. It has never been my job to judge another human being. Just be the best one I can be, and the rest will ultimately take care of itself.

 

I am aware that you are not a supporter of Kwame's actions.  Hopefully, you have not taken my posts as personal attacks.  Instead, I hope that you see them for what they are, disagreement with, and rebuttals to, the issue of "letting the courts handle it".

 

I think that if the mayor really put the city of Detroit's interests first he would honor the city council's request and resign.  He should stop being selfish and  just quit.  That would be the adult, mature thing to do.

So do alot of people. Unfortunately Mr.K seems to think the title of Mayor means he is entitled to be above the law. Now when I travel across our great country,and people ask where I'm from,Saying Michigan  is sooo embarressing. People often ask how you can live in a place so corrupt. Never mind that this is Hocky Town,Or even just a beautiful place. But what about that Mayor? Tell me ,Mr. K what should I say?                                The Lunchlady

Detroit's City Council is right with their decision to try to get rid of "King Kwami".  He thinks he is above everyone else, and is "untouchable", which is a crock.  You are NOT above the law buddy, so give it up, drop your smug looks you present while in front of the camera's, and move on!  I'm also wondering if "some" City Council Members will ever see the light about their "innocent mayor".  Do you know how to acheive this by chance?  Doubt it very much!

lunchlady:

So do alot of people. Unfortunately Mr.K seems to think the title of Mayor means he is entitled to be above the law. Now when I travel across our great country,and people ask where I'm from,Saying Michigan  is sooo embarressing. People often ask how you can live in a place so corrupt. Never mind that this is Hocky Town,Or even just a beautiful place. But what about that Mayor? Tell me ,Mr. K what should I say?                                The Lunchlady

 

   To a certain degree this is too easy. You can not expect anyone to compare you to the Mayor of our City do you ??  If you were born and raised here why should you care what anyone thinks about it ??  If Jesus died on the cross in Michigan does that mean you would be ashamed to be from there ??  I mean I'm trying to understand what one has to do with the other ?? 

   I can understand if you are ashamed of your OWN personal heritage. But that's a bit extreme to pass out a lame excuse of  "I'm ashamed because of my Mayor" yeah right. Tell me what does the Mayor's troubles have to do with you at all ??  Guilt by association, I don't think so. Your being proud of yourself and your accomplishments have NOTHING to do with Kilpatrick's administration. But if it does, your situation is a lot deeper than the answers you may receive on this forum.