I can't believe that dumbA$$ Joanne Watson managed to get 50,000 morons to vote her back into office. Plus we voted to add 500 Million in debt to the backs of Detroit taxpayers. Are you kidding me? I am so pi$$ed! Just saw Cockrel on tv saying that Detroit can't cut their way out of this financial mess. What the frig is he smoking! Making cuts is exactly what this city needs to do. He is saying we need to attract more business and residents. Wake up council!! The black middle class is leaving in droves. The young black college professionals are leaving. The whites will NEVER move back in any significant numbers. I hate to break this news to council but there is a major recession going on. Businesses are closing. They are not about to pull in a significant business tax base. CUT< CUT< CUT!

As usual the council vote has too many in the field and the vote gets watered down for crap. Joanne Watson would have never had a chance if this was already council by district. She only squeaked past the 10th place finisher by a few thousand votes.

Okay...take a deep breath....it could be worse...at least we got rid of the three stooges, Martha Reeves, Barbara Rose Collins and Monica Conyers. And of course Kwame is gone...kinda.....At least there won't be strippers and coke at the Manoogian mansion this election night. Plus I think it's cool that Gary Brown is now a council member after all the crap Kwame put him through. I only wish Kwame was watching this election from behind bars.

Missy55367:

RayStar:

Doodles  do you have a link to prove the Kilpatricks gave support to Mr. Obama?  As fas as I know, the Kilpatrics were not supporters of his.  Please provide proof of the support and the approval of the President of the United States of America letting the crooks named Kilpatrick  escape the legal system. Please provide a date when the Presidnt called  off an investigation of wrong doing by the Kilpatricks. Thanking you in advance.

Raystar, THIS is what Doodles was referring to!  There was rampant voting fraud in the last election, and one such blatant case, involving the Black Panthers and their intimidation of white voters, was dropped, without cause, by 0bama's justice dept.

As the writer (John Fund) suggests, we can look forward to the dems trying to steal the NJ gubernatorial election tomorrow, now that the labor unions and ACORN have been called in to "help" people vote: 

From today's WSJ: 

OPINION: JOHN FUND ON THE TRAIL

NOVEMBER 2, 2009, 1:14 P.M. ET

Chris Christie's Next Case: Who Stole My Election?

Absentee voter fraud may play a significant role in New Jersey's gubernatorial election.

By JOHN FUND

The race for governor in New Jersey is so close in final polls that it may well end up in a recount -- the 1981 election did and was decided by less than 1,800 votes. If there is a recount, you can bet disputes about absentee ballots will loom large. Moreover, if serious allegations of fraud emerge, you can also expect less-than-vigorous investigation by the Obama Justice Department -- which showed just how seriously it takes such allegations when it walked away from an open-and-shut voter intimidation case against the New Black Panther Party in Philadelphia earlier this year.

Plenty of reasons exist for suspecting absentee fraud may play a significant role in tomorrow's Garden State contests. Groups associated with Acorn in neighboring Pennsylvania and New York appear to have moved into the state. An independent candidate for mayor in Camden has already leveled charges that voter fraud is occurring in his city. Meanwhile, the Democratic Party in New Jersey is taking advantage of a new loosely written vote-by-mail law to pressure county clerks not to vigorously use signature checks to evaluate the authenticity of absentee ballots, the only verification procedure allowed.

The state has received a flood of 180,000 absentee ballot requests. On some 3,000 forms the signature doesn't match the one on file with county clerks. Yet citing concerns that voters would be disenfranchised, Democratic Party lawyer Paul Josephson wrote New Jersey's secretary of state asking her "to instruct County Clerks not to deny applications on the basis of signature comparison alone." Mr. Josephson maintained that county clerks "may be overworked and are likely not trained in handwriting analysis" and insisted that voters with suspect applications should be allowed to cast provisional ballots. Those ballots, of course, would then provide a pool of votes that would be subject to litigation in any recount, with the occupant of New Jersey's highest office determined by Florida 2000-style scrutiny of ballot applications.

Absentee voter fraud is in danger of becoming a hardy perennial in New Jersey. Atlantic City Councilman Marty Small and 13 campaign workers were indicted in September on charges of conspiring to commit election fraud using absentee ballots. One worker pleaded guilty last month. In Newark, five campaign workers were indicted in August on charges involving absentee ballot fraud.

Victor Negron, a campaign adviser for independent mayoral candidate Roberto Feliz, a former director of Camden's public works department, says he's shocked that more than fifteen times the normal number of voters are casting absentee ballots in Camden this year. In the 2005, when the city's voters voted for both governor and mayor on the same day, only 200 absentee ballots were cast. This year, some 3,700 have already been received. At least four voters have approached the Feliz campaign to complain that an absentee ballot was sent to them without their permission or cast for them without their understanding the documents they were signing. I spoke with Uremia Rojas who reports that "a man with a clipboard knocked on my door and had me sign something so I could vote by mail. I was skeptical but signed and got a ballot. I never really wanted one." Says Mr. Negron: "We believe this to be underhanded and a possibly illegal strategy by the Democratic Party to undermine the civil rights of the residents of Camden."

There are additional reports from Camden that Hispanic voters have been misled into voting absentee ballots. So-called bearers who are allowed to collect and carry absentee ballots are said to have encouraged voters to fill out applications for absentee ballots. A few days later, the bearers reportedly return with the actual ballots, which they offer "assistance" in filling out.

Authorities in nearby Philadelphia know about such scams. In one infamous case, a key 1993 race that determined which party would control the Pennsylvania state senate was thrown out by a federal judge after massive evidence that hundreds of voters had been pressured into casting improper absentee ballots. Voters were told by "bearers" that it was all part of "la nueva forma de votar" -- the new way to vote. Local politicos tell me Philly operatives associated in the past with Acorn may now be advising their Jersey cousins on how to perform such vote harvesting.

Elsewhere, an investigation is being conducted into a report that people wearing Acorn T-shirts entered an East Orange hospital near Newark carrying blank absentee ballots and left with completed ballots. New Jersey law allows anyone to pick up an absentee ballot for someone else -- these are called messenger ballots.

After repeated election-related scandals, Acorn has become toxic for many candidates who once relied on the group. But Acorn's longtime allies, the Service Employee International Union and New York's Working Families Party, have both moved into New Jersey. Peter Colavito, Acorn's former political director in New York and a board member of the Working Families Party, is now the political director of SEIU Local 32BJ, which is heavily involved in New Jersey's election. Nationally, the SEIU is a political powerhouse with White House visitor's logs showing that Andrew Stern, its national head, visited 22 times in the first six months of the Obama White House -- more than any other person. "Andrew Stern practically lives at the White House," notes Politico.com.

The Working Families Party, which is co-chaired by Acorn head Bertha Lewis, is no stranger to absentee ballot fraud. A special prosecutor in Troy, N.Y. is investigating New York's September primary, in which at least 38 ballots cast for Working Families Party candidates were thrown out as forged or fraudulent. New York Judge Michael Lynch found "significant election law violations that have compromised the rights of numerous voters and the integrity of the ballot process."

Nor is in-person fraud at the polls unknown in New Jersey. In 2007, a former Hoboken zoning board president noticed a group of men outside a polling place being given index cards by two people. One of the loiterers later tried to vote in the name of a voter who had moved out of the area. When challenged by the former zoning board president, he ran out of the building and was caught. He later admitted to police he was part of a group from a homeless shelter who had been paid $10 each to vote using the names of other people.

That's one reason ElectionJournal.org will be deploying observers with cameras around New Jersey to hunt for irregularities. The Web site hit gold last year when its cameras captured footage of two members of the New Black Panther Party in black combat boots and black uniforms blocking the door of a Philadelphia polling place. One was brandishing a large police-style nightstick and hurling racial epithets at voters.

The Bush Justice Department filed a civil-rights lawsuit against the New Black Panther Party and the two individuals. When none of the defendants answered the lawsuit, a federal court rendered a default judgment against the defendants. But last May, Attorney General Eric Holder dropped charges against the party and the two individual defendants. Another man was given the mild sanction of being barred from displaying a weapon near a polling place for three years. To groups that may be contemplating vote fraud in tomorrow's races, such an outcome will hardly be seen as a big deterrent.

taxpayer:

Missy55367:

taxpayer:

Just got done voting. Basically I voted for only two incumbent council members. Kwame Kenyatta and Ken Cockrell. The rest of them Kilpatrick loving idiots can get into the nearest unemployment line. Also voted for anyone running for school board that was NOT an incumbent and voted NO to anything that resembled a millage or tax increase. Cuts have to be made. I am not giving one extra penny to the politicians to waste. I want to keep my money. Voted for council by district. I am hoping that passes. At 7am there was only 20 folks in line so I don't expect a big turnout but we will see. They are predicting a 25% turnout which is really sad. Of the 20 voters in line this morning I saw no one under 40.

 

Tax, it looks like you applied some good logic to your selections.  I wish other Detroiters (and people everywhere, for that matter) voted with the same forethought.

Let's hope Ken Cockrel remains as Council President.  I think it would be horrific if Charles Pugh was voted in at all; he's already decided to let his condo be foreclosed on!  If he can't run his own personal finances, how can he help run the city?

I could have voted better if I had some better selection of candidates. I'm not thrilled with Kenyatta walking out on his mortgage but I can understand and sympathize to some extent to both him and Charles Pugh. Cokrell has a few warts as well but I have to respect the fact that he carried himself with dignity during the attacks by Kwame and Monica Conyers. I'm afraid if it was me, I would be in jail after trying to deal with those two morons.

taxpayer:

I can't believe that dumbA$$ Joanne Watson managed to get 50,000 morons to vote her back into office. Plus we voted to add 500 Million in debt to the backs of Detroit taxpayers. Are you kidding me? I am so pi$$ed! Just saw Cockrel on tv saying that Detroit can't cut their way out of this financial mess. What the frig is he smoking! Making cuts is exactly what this city needs to do. He is saying we need to attract more business and residents. Wake up council!! The black middle class is leaving in droves. The young black college professionals are leaving. The whites will NEVER move back in any significant numbers. I hate to break this news to council but there is a major recession going on. Businesses are closing. They are not about to pull in a significant business tax base. CUT< CUT< CUT!

As usual the council vote has too many in the field and the vote gets watered down for crap. Joanne Watson would have never had a chance if this was already council by district. She only squeaked past the 10th place finisher by a few thousand votes.

Okay...take a deep breath....it could be worse...at least we got rid of the three stooges, Martha Reeves, Barbara Rose Collins and Monica Conyers. And of course Kwame is gone...kinda.....At least there won't be strippers and coke at the Manoogian mansion this election night. Plus I think it's cool that Gary Brown is now a council member after all the crap Kwame put him through. I only wish Kwame was watching this election from behind bars.

get real:

Kimberly......type in an old screen name or forum name, hit search and then find an article posted BY them. Under it there will be their name in blue, small, but when you click on it their profile comes up. Then you can see when they last visited the forum.

You will be shocked.

 

Tushana how do you know who's who posting under diff. names?

Kimberley:

get real:

Kimberly......type in an old screen name or forum name, hit search and then find an article posted BY them. Under it there will be their name in blue, small, but when you click on it their profile comes up. Then you can see when they last visited the forum.

You will be shocked.

 

Will check this out, interesting.

Tushana how do you know who's who posting under diff. names?

 

 

happens all over.  not worth the energy to get into anymore as long as everyone is being "nice."  :0)  Many people here provide interesting information and that is all I am interested in.

No, RayStar, I am not her spokeswoman.

But on boards of this nature, it is typical for whoever is able to answer a question first would respond.  I happened to know what she was talking about, and answered in this case. 

BTW, thank GOD Christie won NJ!  And a LOT of it has to do with the fact that ACORN is mortally wounded at this point, so much so that they were not able to "help out" in the NJ election. 

Let's hope they stay down.  They apparently stole the election for Al Franken in MN, and we don't need any more of their "help", ever!

Tushana:

Kimberley:

get real:

Kimberly......type in an old screen name or forum name, hit search and then find an article posted BY them. Under it there will be their name in blue, small, but when you click on it their profile comes up. Then you can see when they last visited the forum.

You will be shocked.

 

Will check this out, interesting.

Tushana how do you know who's who posting under diff. names?

 

 

happens all over.  not worth the energy to get into anymore as long as everyone is being "nice."  :0)  Many people here provide interesting information and that is all I am interested in.

Well, my two cents.  Voters absolutely mystify me.  I refer to the Detroit school board election results.  Only one new person got elected and two incumbents made it back in, one of them the "Reverend".  And then of course there is Watson over on CC.  As someone else said here, it is going to take 10 years or more for things to really change.  I hope it is that soon!  But I think someone needs to go in and "clean up" the registration rolls first.  Oh well.

Missy55367:

No, RayStar, I am not her spokeswoman.

But on boards of this nature, it is typical for whoever is able to answer a question first would respond.  I happened to know what she was talking about, and answered in this case. 

BTW, thank GOD Christie won NJ!  And a LOT of it has to do with the fact that ACORN is mortally wounded at this point, so much so that they were not able to "help out" in the NJ election. 

Let's hope they stay down.  They apparently stole the election for Al Franken in MN, and we don't need any more of their "help", ever!

TAX, I heard foreigners were buying the houses in Detroit.....you just might be speaking another language here real soon.  teehee

Conyers sentencing rescheduled for Jan. 15 in bribery case

Paul Egan / The Detroit News

Detroit -- The sentencing date for former Detroit City Councilwoman Monica Conyers has been pushed back to Jan. 15, according to documents filed today in U.S. District Court in Detroit.

Conyers pleaded guilty to a bribery charge in June, admitting to taking cash in exchange for what proved to be the deciding vote in the Detroit City Council's approval of a $1.2 billion sewage sludge contract in 2007.

On Oct. 27, U.S. District Judge Avern Cohn set a Dec. 1 sentencing date for Conyers. But he issued a new order today pushing the sentencing back to early next year.

The charge against Conyers is part of a long-running and wide-ranging federal corruption investigation that has resulted in charges against city officials, businessmen and political consultant Sam Riddle, a former aide to Conyers.

Detroit businessman Rayford Jackson, a co-defendant in the case of the sludge contract awarded to Synagro Technologies Inc. of Texas, is to be sentenced Nov. 13.

Another defendant, former Synagro official James R. Rosendall Jr., is to be sentenced Nov. 30.

Riddle plans to go to trial, which is scheduled for January.

Prosecutors sometimes will delay a defendant's sentencing until related trials in the case have been completed.

Kilpatrick lawyer claims prosecutor wrong about cash flow

Doug Guthrie / The Detroit News

Detroit -- The amount of money that allegedly flowed through bank accounts belonging to former Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick and his wife has been exaggerated by Wayne County's prosecutor, according to Kilpatrick's lawyer.

Michael Alan Schwartz will argue when Kilpatrick's probation hearing continues on Nov. 17 that the prosecution last week erroneously claimed more than $1 million moved through five accounts controlled by Kilpatrick's wife, Carlita, in the past year.

"That figure is off by at least $400,000," Schwartz said.

The document inaccurately reports accumulated multiple entries for the same sums that moved from one account to another, Schwartz said.

The hearings before Wayne Circuit Judge David Groner were called to determine if Kilpatrick has hidden wealth after he claimed having only $6 per month left after expenses for $1 million in restitution he agreed to pay the city. He has been ordered to make $6,000 monthly payments.

Schwartz also said Kilpatrick's testimony last week wasn't deliberately vague when he denied knowledge of family finances he says are now handled by his wife.

"The guy is in the doghouse," Schwartz said. "He did something that was very bad. He had an affair. Most wives would be upset by this, but his affair also became public when he lied about it and pleaded guilty to obstruction of justice. That makes matters worse."

Schwartz said Kilpatrick is in a delicate position with his wife. Kilpatrick testified he signed over at least $150,000 in checks from a $240,000 loan given to him by four of Detroit's most influential businessmen after exiting jail in February.

Kilpatrick said he assumed she cashed them, but he couldn't say what happened to the money.

"He's trying to make up with her, and he's not in a position to demand what happened to this money," Schwartz said.

It's also unlikely that the prosecutor will be able to call Carlita Kilpatrick as a witness in the hearings, Schwartz said.

"She's not the one convicted of anything," Schwartz said. "She might say they can fly a kite."

Prosecutor Kym Worthy's spokeswoman, Assistant Prosecutor Maria Miller, said Tuesday, "If any issues are raised, we will address them in court."

it seems that Kim Worthy can't do anything right ,according to Swartz Kwame"S attorney 

dguthrie@detnews.com (313) 222-2548