OK Sorry for my rant.  How dare she invite someone there!  She exhibited more thug mentality. jmo

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RayStar:

Keo, I agree Scott has the experience and she really spoke well.  Waters is younger and needs the experience.  Conyers is in my district.  I am tired of old-timers in Washington, DC.  I feel we need more youth there now.  CK is bringing in the big guns starting Tuesday it may all be for naught!  The name game is dying in the metro area.

LOW CLASS=WANT SOMEONE TO CARRY HER STINKY DRAWERS NEXT cck

Cheeks-k remark should hit the news -  low class remark.  I am sending a check today to Martha Scott's election funds.

keo10:

Missy55367:

Tushana:

RayStar:

The freep says these three had a good time talking over one another.  Be sure to watch at 10 AM this morning.   It is time for CCK, her son KMK, and his daddy BK to say GOOD BYE!!! 

 

Good morning to all.

Good morning Keo, Raystar and everyone.

Cheeks..the video showing her going on that rant re: her son shows how low life she is....it isn't about culture it is about having no class.  Is it possible to forward that youtube video showing her ranting to the individuals who are coming to Michigan to support her.  I will try to do it but I need the youtube information so they can click and it will just appear. :)  Thanks

 

Tushana, here is the "y'all's boy" quote:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=bFunr5TAlMA&feature=related

But it would also be good to get the one that states he should be helped "no matter how much it costs the city".  If I find that one I'll certain pass along the link!

While Martha Scott was talking Cheeks-k was talking across the table to Waters saying she could not carry her bra!  My choice would be Martha Scott, she has the experience and honesty for the job in Washington and seemed very sincere.

I liked the way Cheeks kept stating that was HER money. (She probably has already stolen it.) Then Waters stated that money was appropriated or ear-marked for 13th district.  Meaning Cheeks really didn't have anything to do with getting the money.  Cheeks kept stating she had all the big backers,  Waters spoke up stating she had the police and fire fighters unions. 

Cheeks it's time to go. 

miamia:

joybash:

rvtwitty:

Kathy 1007:

KK 's wife is so mad at him right now, living in Florida. Maybe she will be the one to roll over on him and I sure don't mean in bed. She could blow him out of the water and at least hopefully teach her children that there is a time in life that no matter how painful and embarrassing you have to tell the truth, no matter who gets hurt. Those kids will become just like their thug dad if someone doesn't try and set some rules and consequences for their future behavior. I just wonder , being his wife CAN she testify in court, of if divorced can she testify. Hopefully Laura will be able to return soon  to help answer our questions. Remember to keep her  (Laura)in your thoughts and prayers.

 I would not blame Carlita in the least if she left KK. I just wonder if CB is lying in wait ( pun intended) for Kwame's salami.

Legally Carlita does not have to testify. She can also choose to testify. She just can't be forced to by any means, it has to be her choice.

Carlita is just as guilty in this money corruption deal, the only thing shes not guilty of is of the sex scandal. She should also go to jail for taking graft from the state  and Furgeson

Your right to a certain degree, Joybash, but there is spousal privilege. If a conversation occurs between spouses and there was an expectation of privacy, then the spouse cannot reveal that conversation. If a conversation was, let's say in a crowded room or with one other person present then no expectation is expected.

That protects the rights of private conversations between spouses and very few Judges will venture into spousal "privilege." Any conversation, therefore testimony, would have to be "pre-screened" for when and where it occurred. It would have to be supported with either witnesses or collaborated by the other spouse. Otherwise it would become a "he said, she said." The expectation of privacy within a marriage is taken very seriously.

I highly doubt Carlita would ever testify against Kwame, sighting either the 5th or spousal privacy, because she is up to her eyeballs in this mess. Plus, she probably wants to grow old which probably wouldn't occur if she did testify.

just amazed:

keo10:

Missy55367:

Tushana:

RayStar:

The freep says these three had a good time talking over one another.  Be sure to watch at 10 AM this morning.   It is time for CCK, her son KMK, and his daddy BK to say GOOD BYE!!! 

 

Good morning to all.

Good morning Keo, Raystar and everyone.

Cheeks..the video showing her going on that rant re: her son shows how low life she is....it isn't about culture it is about having no class.  Is it possible to forward that youtube video showing her ranting to the individuals who are coming to Michigan to support her.  I will try to do it but I need the youtube information so they can click and it will just appear. :)  Thanks

 

Tushana, here is the "y'all's boy" quote:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=bFunr5TAlMA&feature=related

But it would also be good to get the one that states he should be helped "no matter how much it costs the city".  If I find that one I'll certain pass along the link!

While Martha Scott was talking Cheeks-k was talking across the table to Waters saying she could not carry her bra!  My choice would be Martha Scott, she has the experience and honesty for the job in Washington and seemed very sincere.

I liked the way Cheeks kept stating that was HER money. (She probably has already stolen it.) Then Waters stated that money was appropriated or ear-marked for 13th district.  Meaning Cheeks really didn't have anything to do with getting the money.  Cheeks kept stating she had all the big backers,  Waters spoke up stating she had the police and fire fighters unions. 

Cheeks it's time to go. 

I would love to see a comparison of each congressional district and monies received in relation to population and geographic size. My guess is the money the the 13th received is not any more than other districts, taking into consideration population and geographic size.

I also doubt than many could, nor want to carry Cheeks bra. She definitely has some pretty massive girls. I would personally, fear for my safety if I had to carry her bra. A gust a wind might come along and the cups would become a pretty large sail!! But if flying, they could be considered an emergency parachute!!

Laura56:

just amazed:

keo10:

Missy55367:

Tushana:

RayStar:

The freep says these three had a good time talking over one another.  Be sure to watch at 10 AM this morning.   It is time for CCK, her son KMK, and his daddy BK to say GOOD BYE!!! 

 

Good morning to all.

Good morning Keo, Raystar and everyone.

Cheeks..the video showing her going on that rant re: her son shows how low life she is....it isn't about culture it is about having no class.  Is it possible to forward that youtube video showing her ranting to the individuals who are coming to Michigan to support her.  I will try to do it but I need the youtube information so they can click and it will just appear. :)  Thanks

 

Tushana, here is the "y'all's boy" quote:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=bFunr5TAlMA&feature=related

But it would also be good to get the one that states he should be helped "no matter how much it costs the city".  If I find that one I'll certain pass along the link!

While Martha Scott was talking Cheeks-k was talking across the table to Waters saying she could not carry her bra!  My choice would be Martha Scott, she has the experience and honesty for the job in Washington and seemed very sincere.

I liked the way Cheeks kept stating that was HER money. (She probably has already stolen it.) Then Waters stated that money was appropriated or ear-marked for 13th district.  Meaning Cheeks really didn't have anything to do with getting the money.  Cheeks kept stating she had all the big backers,  Waters spoke up stating she had the police and fire fighters unions. 

Cheeks it's time to go. 

I would love to see a comparison of each congressional district and monies received in relation to population and geographic size. My guess is the money the the 13th received is not any more than other districts, taking into consideration population and geographic size.

I also doubt than many could, nor want to carry Cheeks bra. She definitely has some pretty massive girls. I would personally, fear for my safety if I had to carry her bra. A gust a wind might come along and the cups would become a pretty large sail!! But if flying, they could be considered an emergency parachute!!

HAHA Laura, Welcome back, Hope everything is okay with your grandson and family.

WeCanHelp:

PEOPLE & POLITICS

Chaos rules on hard city choices

BY STEPHEN HENDERSON • FREE PRESS COLUMNIST • July 20, 2008

Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick is right:

The plan to lease out Detroit's interest in the Windsor tunnel is a smart and crafty way to get quick cash to keep the city's books in balance.

It's also a necessity with no palatable alternatives now, given that it was planned for the 2007-08 budget, which closed June 30. If the tunnel deal doesn't go through, the city faces either massive layoffs (with corresponding devastation to already strained city services) or a risky effort to float deficit reduction bonds that will come with high interest and may hurt the city's credit rating.

So, yes, City Council has got to focus on the specifics of the deal, make sure the city's getting what it deserves, that all the legal hurdles are cleared, and that there is no funny business clouding the agreement's structure.

But who's to blame for the distractions and suspicions that seem to keep crippling their efforts?

Mostly, it's the mayor, whose chronic lying and deception have the legislative branch understandably reluctant to trust him on any issue.

This is where we stand right now in Detroit, with an unimaginable, self-perpetuating standoff between the mayor and the council blocking the road to progress on at least a dozen fronts.

In the long-term, I suspect the solution involves brooming a good number of the personalities involved, and making substantive changes to the way government operates in the city.

But for now, the council and the mayor need to reach some sort of workable détente to get the tunnel deal closed and at least keep the city's most vital functions moving.

The tunnel deal should actually be one of the easier vehicles for achieving productive peace between Kilpatrick and the council.

In truth, the city's best interests leave no real choice. Failing to adopt the deal at this point means blowing a $65-million hole in the budget, one that would require some of the most drastic cuts we've ever seen, or ridiculously shortsighted borrowing.

That doesn't mean the council has to be happy about how the deal has been handled. Kilpatrick first spoke of the tunnel deal more than a year ago and proposed it as one of his many innovative budget moves. It was one of the big ideas the mayor has been so good at coming up with over his time in office.

But like so many other Kilpatrick big ideas, this one was missing the buttress-work of detail that might make it a reality.

Council didn't get a completed proposal until early spring of this year, and the administration has been slow to fully answer questions raised by council members about the deal. The low point had to be in early June, when the city's law department was asked to weigh in on whether the deal might require a ballot proposal to get citizen approval. That question should have been answered very early in the process, not with just a few weeks to go in the fiscal year whose solvency hinged on money to be produced from the deal.

Despite all the hiccups, council finally swallowed the framework for the deal a few weeks ago and voted to create the authority that would manage the lease agreement.

That vote was rescinded last week, though, after a heated public confrontation between the council and Deputy Mayor Anthony Adams, who has been riding herd on the deal.

The breakdown was not about the substance of the deal, though; it was about nastiness being exchanged between the administration and the council. Council says the mayor and his folks are crooks; the mayor's people are wondering where council has room to talk, given the prevalence of wiretaps and surveillance videos apparently monitoring the legislative branch's dealings.

In the end, who cares? The authorities will figure out who's corrupt and who's correct in city government. The tunnel deal has got to get done to keep the city financially whole.

Ultimately, nothing else matters.

Detroiters, who are already enduring enough embarrassment thanks to the stench of scandal in City Hall, don't need financial chaos to make it worse.

STEPHEN HENDERSON is deputy editorial page editor of the Free Press

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Although I have always agreed with Stephen Henderson he is WAY OFF BASE ON THIS ONE.  What he doesn't realize is ......that this administration has mismanaged and stolen 100's of millions (if not billions) of Taxpayer's $$$$. To support the deal on the tunnel for any reason .....is as irresponsible as the administrations handling of the budget to begin with. What cuts have the adminstration made to reconcile the mass exodus of residents leaving the city? ALL businesses are downsizing to re-balance the workforce with sales and the economic downturn to survive. 

Why hasn't the City of Detroit mad the same adjustments? How can the services get any worse than they are currently... with this over-prescribed workforce. Less residents with the same number of city workers should have improved services to those left. Insted basic services / performance is at an all time low  with residency at an all time low. Stop supporting saving all these jobs because this "one time fix" is as crooked a deal ...as ALL the rest of the deals this administration has brokered.

Why doesn't everyone realize that the "lack of details and answers of the tunnel deal" are for a reason. This Authority has no intention of  re-paying this loan. They want the title for the tunnel  turned over to the authority so they can sell the tunnel and pocket the proceeds on their way out the door. Why should the mayor appoint anyone on the authority? This administration is pushing for another embezzelment opportunity. 

Memo to CITY COUNCIL ......"DON'T DO IT" ....LEAVE THE FEW ASSETS REMAINING ALONE .....FOREVER.

 

Yes, good points, WCH.  And as you state, this would be a "one time fix".  With this line of thinking, something will need to be sold each year to balance the budget.  How many assets does the city have left?  And can or should these assets really be sold? 

As someone pointed out the other day, the Tunnel is a revenue generating asset.  Can Detroit really afford to give up that revenue stream, whatever it is?  Knowing how things operate in that city, I would doubt whether anyone did much of a financial impact analysis to see whether this is at all a good idea long term.

Welcome back Laura.  I hope your grandson is doing better also. 

Thanks for explaining spousal "privilege".   But if she is not a city employee and used city-owned equipment, doesn't that take away her right to privacy?  I am speaking of text messages not phone calls.

The national media should be made aware of CCK's awful remark.  Pelosi is a lady, I doubt she would approve of that remark.  She is 63 yrs. old not 13!

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RayStar:

Welcome back Laura.  I hope your grandson is doing better also. 

Thanks for explaining spousal "privilege".   But if she is not a city employee and used city-owned equipment, doesn't that take away her right to privacy?  I am speaking of text messages not phone calls.

The national media should be made aware of CCK's awful remark.  Pelosi is a lady, I doubt she would approve of that remark.  She is 63 yrs. old not 13!

Thank you RayStar. I contend that there is no expectation of privacy on publicly owned devices. The law that is sighted speaks, from what Indytf and I interpreted, to privately owned "pagers." There must be something said within the text that there was an expectation of privacy (intimate) or Judge Giles is going to let the appellate court figure it out. My guess, it's the second. But again spousal conversations are vigorously protected.

Missy55367:

WeCanHelp:

PEOPLE & POLITICS

Chaos rules on hard city choices

BY STEPHEN HENDERSON • FREE PRESS COLUMNIST • July 20, 2008

Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick is right:

The plan to lease out Detroit's interest in the Windsor tunnel is a smart and crafty way to get quick cash to keep the city's books in balance.

It's also a necessity with no palatable alternatives now, given that it was planned for the 2007-08 budget, which closed June 30. If the tunnel deal doesn't go through, the city faces either massive layoffs (with corresponding devastation to already strained city services) or a risky effort to float deficit reduction bonds that will come with high interest and may hurt the city's credit rating.

So, yes, City Council has got to focus on the specifics of the deal, make sure the city's getting what it deserves, that all the legal hurdles are cleared, and that there is no funny business clouding the agreement's structure.

But who's to blame for the distractions and suspicions that seem to keep crippling their efforts?

Mostly, it's the mayor, whose chronic lying and deception have the legislative branch understandably reluctant to trust him on any issue.

This is where we stand right now in Detroit, with an unimaginable, self-perpetuating standoff between the mayor and the council blocking the road to progress on at least a dozen fronts.

In the long-term, I suspect the solution involves brooming a good number of the personalities involved, and making substantive changes to the way government operates in the city.

But for now, the council and the mayor need to reach some sort of workable détente to get the tunnel deal closed and at least keep the city's most vital functions moving.

The tunnel deal should actually be one of the easier vehicles for achieving productive peace between Kilpatrick and the council.

In truth, the city's best interests leave no real choice. Failing to adopt the deal at this point means blowing a $65-million hole in the budget, one that would require some of the most drastic cuts we've ever seen, or ridiculously shortsighted borrowing.

That doesn't mean the council has to be happy about how the deal has been handled. Kilpatrick first spoke of the tunnel deal more than a year ago and proposed it as one of his many innovative budget moves. It was one of the big ideas the mayor has been so good at coming up with over his time in office.

But like so many other Kilpatrick big ideas, this one was missing the buttress-work of detail that might make it a reality.

Council didn't get a completed proposal until early spring of this year, and the administration has been slow to fully answer questions raised by council members about the deal. The low point had to be in early June, when the city's law department was asked to weigh in on whether the deal might require a ballot proposal to get citizen approval. That question should have been answered very early in the process, not with just a few weeks to go in the fiscal year whose solvency hinged on money to be produced from the deal.

Despite all the hiccups, council finally swallowed the framework for the deal a few weeks ago and voted to create the authority that would manage the lease agreement.

That vote was rescinded last week, though, after a heated public confrontation between the council and Deputy Mayor Anthony Adams, who has been riding herd on the deal.

The breakdown was not about the substance of the deal, though; it was about nastiness being exchanged between the administration and the council. Council says the mayor and his folks are crooks; the mayor's people are wondering where council has room to talk, given the prevalence of wiretaps and surveillance videos apparently monitoring the legislative branch's dealings.

In the end, who cares? The authorities will figure out who's corrupt and who's correct in city government. The tunnel deal has got to get done to keep the city financially whole.

Ultimately, nothing else matters.

Detroiters, who are already enduring enough embarrassment thanks to the stench of scandal in City Hall, don't need financial chaos to make it worse.

STEPHEN HENDERSON is deputy editorial page editor of the Free Press

****************************************************************************

Although I have always agreed with Stephen Henderson he is WAY OFF BASE ON THIS ONE.  What he doesn't realize is ......that this administration has mismanaged and stolen 100's of millions (if not billions) of Taxpayer's $$$$. To support the deal on the tunnel for any reason .....is as irresponsible as the administrations handling of the budget to begin with. What cuts have the adminstration made to reconcile the mass exodus of residents leaving the city? ALL businesses are downsizing to re-balance the workforce with sales and the economic downturn to survive. 

Why hasn't the City of Detroit mad the same adjustments? How can the services get any worse than they are currently... with this over-prescribed workforce. Less residents with the same number of city workers should have improved services to those left. Insted basic services / performance is at an all time low  with residency at an all time low. Stop supporting saving all these jobs because this "one time fix" is as crooked a deal ...as ALL the rest of the deals this administration has brokered.

Why doesn't everyone realize that the "lack of details and answers of the tunnel deal" are for a reason. This Authority has no intention of  re-paying this loan. They want the title for the tunnel  turned over to the authority so they can sell the tunnel and pocket the proceeds on their way out the door. Why should the mayor appoint anyone on the authority? This administration is pushing for another embezzelment opportunity. 

Memo to CITY COUNCIL ......"DON'T DO IT" ....LEAVE THE FEW ASSETS REMAINING ALONE .....FOREVER.

 

Yes, good points, WCH.  And as you state, this would be a "one time fix".  With this line of thinking, something will need to be sold each year to balance the budget.  How many assets does the city have left?  And can or should these assets really be sold? 

As someone pointed out the other day, the Tunnel is a revenue generating asset.  Can Detroit really afford to give up that revenue stream, whatever it is?  Knowing how things operate in that city, I would doubt whether anyone did much of a financial impact analysis to see whether this is at all a good idea long term.

Well said Missy.  I just read Stephen's column.  I don't want the tunnel sold as there must be something else we can do to generate revenue.   It is like this city has lost it's mind.  Who is checking the books?  All this scandal mess has just consumed the city!

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Laura56:

RayStar:

Welcome back Laura.  I hope your grandson is doing better also. 

Thanks for explaining spousal "privilege".   But if she is not a city employee and used city-owned equipment, doesn't that take away her right to privacy?  I am speaking of text messages not phone calls.

The national media should be made aware of CCK's awful remark.  Pelosi is a lady, I doubt she would approve of that remark.  She is 63 yrs. old not 13!

Thank you RayStar. I contend that there is no expectation of privacy on publicly owned devices. The law that is sighted speaks, from what Indytf and I interpreted, to privately owned "pagers." There must be something said within the text that there was an expectation of privacy (intimate) or Judge Giles is going to let the appellate court figure it out. My guess, it's the second. But again spousal conversations are vigorously protected.

I am glad these conversations are protected.  One thing we have learned for sure with this mess be very careful when using electronic devices! 

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Laura56:

just amazed:

keo10:

Missy55367:

Tushana:

RayStar:

The freep says these three had a good time talking over one another.  Be sure to watch at 10 AM this morning.   It is time for CCK, her son KMK, and his daddy BK to say GOOD BYE!!! 

 

Good morning to all.

Good morning Keo, Raystar and everyone.

Cheeks..the video showing her going on that rant re: her son shows how low life she is....it isn't about culture it is about having no class.  Is it possible to forward that youtube video showing her ranting to the individuals who are coming to Michigan to support her.  I will try to do it but I need the youtube information so they can click and it will just appear. :)  Thanks

 

Tushana, here is the "y'all's boy" quote:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=bFunr5TAlMA&feature=related

But it would also be good to get the one that states he should be helped "no matter how much it costs the city".  If I find that one I'll certain pass along the link!

While Martha Scott was talking Cheeks-k was talking across the table to Waters saying she could not carry her bra!  My choice would be Martha Scott, she has the experience and honesty for the job in Washington and seemed very sincere.

I liked the way Cheeks kept stating that was HER money. (She probably has already stolen it.) Then Waters stated that money was appropriated or ear-marked for 13th district.  Meaning Cheeks really didn't have anything to do with getting the money.  Cheeks kept stating she had all the big backers,  Waters spoke up stating she had the police and fire fighters unions. 

Cheeks it's time to go. 

I would love to see a comparison of each congressional district and monies received in relation to population and geographic size. My guess is the money the the 13th received is not any more than other districts, taking into consideration population and geographic size.

I also doubt than many could, nor want to carry Cheeks bra. She definitely has some pretty massive girls. I would personally, fear for my safety if I had to carry her bra. A gust a wind might come along and the cups would become a pretty large sail!! But if flying, they could be considered an emergency parachute!!

Welcome back!  You are very sharp today loved you cheeks-k bra suggestions

Yes, Laura, welcome back.  I join the others in good wishes for your grandson.

Nolan Finley

Don't let Detroit die without a fight

Detroiters need to march down to City Hall and drag the rascals out. It's maddening that six months into this unnatural disaster there's still no credible recall drive underway to get rid of the mayor quickly and cleanly.

Start one today. And leave spaces open on the petition to add any council member whose name shows up on a federal indictment.

You're not helpless Detroit. And you don't have to be a victim. Get angry. Get loud.

Shout down the parasitic preachers who have a pocketbook stake in protecting their political partners.

Wave off the excuse makers who urge you to let the legal process play itself out. You may be six feet under by then.

This is your city. You can't wait for the business community to do something. It's got no vote. You can't wait for Gov. Jennifer Granholm to do something. She's got no spine.

As a city, you've got to lift yourself out of your deathbed.

Come on, Detroit, don't die without a fight.

READ FULL STORY IN DETROIT NEWS .COM

Nolan Finley is editorial page editor of The News. Reach him at nfinley@detnews.com or (313) 222-2064. Read his blog at forums.detnews.com/blogs/, and watch him at 8:30 p.m. Fridays on "Am I Right?" on Detroit Public TV, Channel 56.

Congressional candidates toss out decorum at TV forum

Lively debate hits on mayor, experience -- and a brassiere

BY KATHLEEN GRAY • FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER • July 20, 2008

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