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Laura Berman

From the Manoogian to the doghouse: Now Carlita Kilpatrick calls the shots

The onetime mayor of Detroit came back to testify Thursday, but the most intriguing person mentioned in the courtroom wasn't there.

Carlita Kilpatrick, Detroit's enigmatic good wife, endured the humiliations of all those messages on the "2 Way," that infernal Sky-Tel message system, but she never had it easy.

From the party at the Manoogian -- the one that never happened -- to the fuss over her Navigator, Mrs. K's ride as first spouse kept getting bumpier. Then, as her husband explained, to media gathered outside the courthouse: "I put my family, my wife and my children, through an incredible year of tremendous pain."

Really, was it only a year?

Like Julianne Margulies who plays "the good wife" in the new CBS series, Carlita Kilpatrick's displeasure with her husband has been obscured by the conventions of her role. Every political wife's list of concerns now includes the question of when her spouse is going hiking on the Appalachian Trail.

Like TV's new heroine, who remakes herself while her husband pads in jail, Carlita's calling the shots now, living in a suburban mansion while her husband tries to crawl out of the doghouse. Yes, they physically share the space, but if you believe the mayor's testimony, she wields the power now, from managing the tax records and bank accounts to controlling the future of their relationship.

The transplanted Texan and former mayor used to hide his comings and goings from the woman referred to in text messages as CEK (Carlita Ebony Kilpatrick). Now, he confessed he's "in a period where there are some things, as we work out these issues, that I don't know."

Like what, you ask?

For starters, there's the first $150,000 -- doled out in five checks of $30,000 each -- from four Detroit businessmen that Kilpatrick signed over to his wife. And assumes she cashed. Over a year, $1.2 million moved through their five checking and savings accounts, but if you want to know what happened, you'll have to ask his wife.

By KK's account, every financial decision is hers to make, the tax returns hers to oversee. And his friends -- including international bridge financier Manuel Moroun -- are hers now, too. Even though she doesn't know Moroun, he sent her and the children $50,000 to tide them over while Kilpatrick served his jail term.

Yes, they live in the same house, but Kilpatrick says he's clueless about her occupation. Homemaker or careerist?

"I don't know," Kilpatrick told Wayne County Assistant Prosecutor Athina Siringas when asked if his wife works.

(His lawyer, Michael Alan Schwartz, said he'd have to deliver "a four-hour seminar on constitutional law to explain why he said that.").

Once the most powerful man in Detroit, the former mayor hinted that he's still trying to win back his wife but is uncertain where his future lies.

In her last vivid scene in Detroit, Mrs. K. played the public loyalist, staring lovingly as her husband promised a comeback.

Now it's her turn to rule.

Lots of people want to be paid, and Kilpatrick said they would be, because he earnestly wants to do what's right.

But if you listened closely, he suggested that of all his creditors -- the businessmen who lent him money, the city of Detroit, the expensive lawyers -- count. But one powerful person loomed largest in his comments.

"I want to make my wife happy," he said, moving her to the front of the creditor line. "I owe a great deal of restitution to my wife."

 

A bunch of people commented on this story on the Detroit News website, where the article originated. 

While a few thought it was satire, most people responded that they couldn't believe Ms. Berman's apparently gullibiliity in believing this story.

I am not that familiar with Laura Berman and her writing.  Could it be satire, or is she really that dense? 

RayStar:

Doodles  do you have a link to prove the Kilpatricks gave support to Mr. Obama?  As fas as I know, the Kilpatrics were not supporters of his.  Please provide proof of the support and the approval of the President of the United States of America letting the crooks named Kilpatrick  escape the legal system. Please provide a date when the Presidnt called  off an investigation of wrong doing by the Kilpatricks. Thanking you in advance.

Mama Cheeks gave the max ($2,300) to BHO, mmm, mmm, mmm; Bernard gave $1,000 to baby daddy John Edwards.  Couldn't find anything else from any of the Detroit Kilpatrick clan.

I am having extreme computer problems and cannot provide a link, but go to "fundrace.org", and type in "Kilpatrick".  Scroll down and you will eventually see these two names. 

NEVER LEAVE YOUR NUTS ALONE

A doctor at an insane asylum decided to take his patients to a baseball game.

For weeks in advance, he coached his patients to respond to his commands.

When the day of the game arrived everything went quite well.

As the National Anthem started, the doctor yelled, 'Up Nuts', and the patients complied by standing up.

After the anthem, he yelled, 'Down Nuts', and they all sat back down in their seats.


After a home run was hit, the doctor yelled, 'Cheer Nuts'. They all broke out into applause and cheered.

When the umpire made a particularly bad call against the star of the home team, the Doctor yelled, 'Booooo Nuts' and they all started booing and cat calling.

Comfortable with their
response, the doctor decided to go get a beer and a hot dog, leaving his assistant in charge.

When he returned, there was a riot in progress.

Finding his tizzied assistant, the doctor asked, 'What in the world happened?'

The assistant replied, 'Well everything was going just fine until this guy walked by and yelled . ...

'PEANUTS!'

RayStar:

Doodles  do you have a link to prove the Kilpatricks gave support to Mr. Obama?  As fas as I know, the Kilpatrics were not supporters of his.  Please provide proof of the support and the approval of the President of the United States of America letting the crooks named Kilpatrick  escape the legal system. Please provide a date when the Presidnt called  off an investigation of wrong doing by the Kilpatricks. Thanking you in advance.

Raystar, THIS is what Doodles was referring to!  There was rampant voting fraud in the last election, and one such blatant case, involving the Black Panthers and their intimidation of white voters, was dropped, without cause, by 0bama's justice dept.

As the writer (John Fund) suggests, we can look forward to the dems trying to steal the NJ gubernatorial election tomorrow, now that the labor unions and ACORN have been called in to "help" people vote: 

From today's WSJ: 

OPINION: JOHN FUND ON THE TRAIL

NOVEMBER 2, 2009, 1:14 P.M. ET

Chris Christie's Next Case: Who Stole My Election?

Absentee voter fraud may play a significant role in New Jersey's gubernatorial election.

By JOHN FUND

The race for governor in New Jersey is so close in final polls that it may well end up in a recount -- the 1981 election did and was decided by less than 1,800 votes. If there is a recount, you can bet disputes about absentee ballots will loom large. Moreover, if serious allegations of fraud emerge, you can also expect less-than-vigorous investigation by the Obama Justice Department -- which showed just how seriously it takes such allegations when it walked away from an open-and-shut voter intimidation case against the New Black Panther Party in Philadelphia earlier this year.

Plenty of reasons exist for suspecting absentee fraud may play a significant role in tomorrow's Garden State contests. Groups associated with Acorn in neighboring Pennsylvania and New York appear to have moved into the state. An independent candidate for mayor in Camden has already leveled charges that voter fraud is occurring in his city. Meanwhile, the Democratic Party in New Jersey is taking advantage of a new loosely written vote-by-mail law to pressure county clerks not to vigorously use signature checks to evaluate the authenticity of absentee ballots, the only verification procedure allowed.

The state has received a flood of 180,000 absentee ballot requests. On some 3,000 forms the signature doesn't match the one on file with county clerks. Yet citing concerns that voters would be disenfranchised, Democratic Party lawyer Paul Josephson wrote New Jersey's secretary of state asking her "to instruct County Clerks not to deny applications on the basis of signature comparison alone." Mr. Josephson maintained that county clerks "may be overworked and are likely not trained in handwriting analysis" and insisted that voters with suspect applications should be allowed to cast provisional ballots. Those ballots, of course, would then provide a pool of votes that would be subject to litigation in any recount, with the occupant of New Jersey's highest office determined by Florida 2000-style scrutiny of ballot applications.

Absentee voter fraud is in danger of becoming a hardy perennial in New Jersey. Atlantic City Councilman Marty Small and 13 campaign workers were indicted in September on charges of conspiring to commit election fraud using absentee ballots. One worker pleaded guilty last month. In Newark, five campaign workers were indicted in August on charges involving absentee ballot fraud.

Victor Negron, a campaign adviser for independent mayoral candidate Roberto Feliz, a former director of Camden's public works department, says he's shocked that more than fifteen times the normal number of voters are casting absentee ballots in Camden this year. In the 2005, when the city's voters voted for both governor and mayor on the same day, only 200 absentee ballots were cast. This year, some 3,700 have already been received. At least four voters have approached the Feliz campaign to complain that an absentee ballot was sent to them without their permission or cast for them without their understanding the documents they were signing. I spoke with Uremia Rojas who reports that "a man with a clipboard knocked on my door and had me sign something so I could vote by mail. I was skeptical but signed and got a ballot. I never really wanted one." Says Mr. Negron: "We believe this to be underhanded and a possibly illegal strategy by the Democratic Party to undermine the civil rights of the residents of Camden."

There are additional reports from Camden that Hispanic voters have been misled into voting absentee ballots. So-called bearers who are allowed to collect and carry absentee ballots are said to have encouraged voters to fill out applications for absentee ballots. A few days later, the bearers reportedly return with the actual ballots, which they offer "assistance" in filling out.

Authorities in nearby Philadelphia know about such scams. In one infamous case, a key 1993 race that determined which party would control the Pennsylvania state senate was thrown out by a federal judge after massive evidence that hundreds of voters had been pressured into casting improper absentee ballots. Voters were told by "bearers" that it was all part of "la nueva forma de votar" -- the new way to vote. Local politicos tell me Philly operatives associated in the past with Acorn may now be advising their Jersey cousins on how to perform such vote harvesting.

Elsewhere, an investigation is being conducted into a report that people wearing Acorn T-shirts entered an East Orange hospital near Newark carrying blank absentee ballots and left with completed ballots. New Jersey law allows anyone to pick up an absentee ballot for someone else -- these are called messenger ballots.

After repeated election-related scandals, Acorn has become toxic for many candidates who once relied on the group. But Acorn's longtime allies, the Service Employee International Union and New York's Working Families Party, have both moved into New Jersey. Peter Colavito, Acorn's former political director in New York and a board member of the Working Families Party, is now the political director of SEIU Local 32BJ, which is heavily involved in New Jersey's election. Nationally, the SEIU is a political powerhouse with White House visitor's logs showing that Andrew Stern, its national head, visited 22 times in the first six months of the Obama White House -- more than any other person. "Andrew Stern practically lives at the White House," notes Politico.com.

The Working Families Party, which is co-chaired by Acorn head Bertha Lewis, is no stranger to absentee ballot fraud. A special prosecutor in Troy, N.Y. is investigating New York's September primary, in which at least 38 ballots cast for Working Families Party candidates were thrown out as forged or fraudulent. New York Judge Michael Lynch found "significant election law violations that have compromised the rights of numerous voters and the integrity of the ballot process."

Nor is in-person fraud at the polls unknown in New Jersey. In 2007, a former Hoboken zoning board president noticed a group of men outside a polling place being given index cards by two people. One of the loiterers later tried to vote in the name of a voter who had moved out of the area. When challenged by the former zoning board president, he ran out of the building and was caught. He later admitted to police he was part of a group from a homeless shelter who had been paid $10 each to vote using the names of other people.

That's one reason ElectionJournal.org will be deploying observers with cameras around New Jersey to hunt for irregularities. The Web site hit gold last year when its cameras captured footage of two members of the New Black Panther Party in black combat boots and black uniforms blocking the door of a Philadelphia polling place. One was brandishing a large police-style nightstick and hurling racial epithets at voters.

The Bush Justice Department filed a civil-rights lawsuit against the New Black Panther Party and the two individuals. When none of the defendants answered the lawsuit, a federal court rendered a default judgment against the defendants. But last May, Attorney General Eric Holder dropped charges against the party and the two individual defendants. Another man was given the mild sanction of being barred from displaying a weapon near a polling place for three years. To groups that may be contemplating vote fraud in tomorrow's races, such an outcome will hardly be seen as a big deterrent.

Missy55367:

RayStar:

Doodles  do you have a link to prove the Kilpatricks gave support to Mr. Obama?  As fas as I know, the Kilpatrics were not supporters of his.  Please provide proof of the support and the approval of the President of the United States of America letting the crooks named Kilpatrick  escape the legal system. Please provide a date when the Presidnt called  off an investigation of wrong doing by the Kilpatricks. Thanking you in advance.

Raystar, THIS is what Doodles was referring to!  There was rampant voting fraud in the last election, and one such blatant case, involving the Black Panthers and their intimidation of white voters, was dropped, without cause, by 0bama's justice dept.

As the writer (John Fund) suggests, we can look forward to the dems trying to steal the NJ gubernatorial election tomorrow, now that the labor unions and ACORN have been called in to "help" people vote: 

From today's WSJ: 

OPINION: JOHN FUND ON THE TRAIL

NOVEMBER 2, 2009, 1:14 P.M. ET

Chris Christie's Next Case: Who Stole My Election?

Absentee voter fraud may play a significant role in New Jersey's gubernatorial election.

By JOHN FUND

The race for governor in New Jersey is so close in final polls that it may well end up in a recount -- the 1981 election did and was decided by less than 1,800 votes. If there is a recount, you can bet disputes about absentee ballots will loom large. Moreover, if serious allegations of fraud emerge, you can also expect less-than-vigorous investigation by the Obama Justice Department -- which showed just how seriously it takes such allegations when it walked away from an open-and-shut voter intimidation case against the New Black Panther Party in Philadelphia earlier this year.

Plenty of reasons exist for suspecting absentee fraud may play a significant role in tomorrow's Garden State contests. Groups associated with Acorn in neighboring Pennsylvania and New York appear to have moved into the state. An independent candidate for mayor in Camden has already leveled charges that voter fraud is occurring in his city. Meanwhile, the Democratic Party in New Jersey is taking advantage of a new loosely written vote-by-mail law to pressure county clerks not to vigorously use signature checks to evaluate the authenticity of absentee ballots, the only verification procedure allowed.

The state has received a flood of 180,000 absentee ballot requests. On some 3,000 forms the signature doesn't match the one on file with county clerks. Yet citing concerns that voters would be disenfranchised, Democratic Party lawyer Paul Josephson wrote New Jersey's secretary of state asking her "to instruct County Clerks not to deny applications on the basis of signature comparison alone." Mr. Josephson maintained that county clerks "may be overworked and are likely not trained in handwriting analysis" and insisted that voters with suspect applications should be allowed to cast provisional ballots. Those ballots, of course, would then provide a pool of votes that would be subject to litigation in any recount, with the occupant of New Jersey's highest office determined by Florida 2000-style scrutiny of ballot applications.

Absentee voter fraud is in danger of becoming a hardy perennial in New Jersey. Atlantic City Councilman Marty Small and 13 campaign workers were indicted in September on charges of conspiring to commit election fraud using absentee ballots. One worker pleaded guilty last month. In Newark, five campaign workers were indicted in August on charges involving absentee ballot fraud.

Victor Negron, a campaign adviser for independent mayoral candidate Roberto Feliz, a former director of Camden's public works department, says he's shocked that more than fifteen times the normal number of voters are casting absentee ballots in Camden this year. In the 2005, when the city's voters voted for both governor and mayor on the same day, only 200 absentee ballots were cast. This year, some 3,700 have already been received. At least four voters have approached the Feliz campaign to complain that an absentee ballot was sent to them without their permission or cast for them without their understanding the documents they were signing. I spoke with Uremia Rojas who reports that "a man with a clipboard knocked on my door and had me sign something so I could vote by mail. I was skeptical but signed and got a ballot. I never really wanted one." Says Mr. Negron: "We believe this to be underhanded and a possibly illegal strategy by the Democratic Party to undermine the civil rights of the residents of Camden."

There are additional reports from Camden that Hispanic voters have been misled into voting absentee ballots. So-called bearers who are allowed to collect and carry absentee ballots are said to have encouraged voters to fill out applications for absentee ballots. A few days later, the bearers reportedly return with the actual ballots, which they offer "assistance" in filling out.

Authorities in nearby Philadelphia know about such scams. In one infamous case, a key 1993 race that determined which party would control the Pennsylvania state senate was thrown out by a federal judge after massive evidence that hundreds of voters had been pressured into casting improper absentee ballots. Voters were told by "bearers" that it was all part of "la nueva forma de votar" -- the new way to vote. Local politicos tell me Philly operatives associated in the past with Acorn may now be advising their Jersey cousins on how to perform such vote harvesting.

Elsewhere, an investigation is being conducted into a report that people wearing Acorn T-shirts entered an East Orange hospital near Newark carrying blank absentee ballots and left with completed ballots. New Jersey law allows anyone to pick up an absentee ballot for someone else -- these are called messenger ballots.

After repeated election-related scandals, Acorn has become toxic for many candidates who once relied on the group. But Acorn's longtime allies, the Service Employee International Union and New York's Working Families Party, have both moved into New Jersey. Peter Colavito, Acorn's former political director in New York and a board member of the Working Families Party, is now the political director of SEIU Local 32BJ, which is heavily involved in New Jersey's election. Nationally, the SEIU is a political powerhouse with White House visitor's logs showing that Andrew Stern, its national head, visited 22 times in the first six months of the Obama White House -- more than any other person. "Andrew Stern practically lives at the White House," notes Politico.com.

The Working Families Party, which is co-chaired by Acorn head Bertha Lewis, is no stranger to absentee ballot fraud. A special prosecutor in Troy, N.Y. is investigating New York's September primary, in which at least 38 ballots cast for Working Families Party candidates were thrown out as forged or fraudulent. New York Judge Michael Lynch found "significant election law violations that have compromised the rights of numerous voters and the integrity of the ballot process."

Nor is in-person fraud at the polls unknown in New Jersey. In 2007, a former Hoboken zoning board president noticed a group of men outside a polling place being given index cards by two people. One of the loiterers later tried to vote in the name of a voter who had moved out of the area. When challenged by the former zoning board president, he ran out of the building and was caught. He later admitted to police he was part of a group from a homeless shelter who had been paid $10 each to vote using the names of other people.

That's one reason ElectionJournal.org will be deploying observers with cameras around New Jersey to hunt for irregularities. The Web site hit gold last year when its cameras captured footage of two members of the New Black Panther Party in black combat boots and black uniforms blocking the door of a Philadelphia polling place. One was brandishing a large police-style nightstick and hurling racial epithets at voters.

The Bush Justice Department filed a civil-rights lawsuit against the New Black Panther Party and the two individuals. When none of the defendants answered the lawsuit, a federal court rendered a default judgment against the defendants. But last May, Attorney General Eric Holder dropped charges against the party and the two individual defendants. Another man was given the mild sanction of being barred from displaying a weapon near a polling place for three years. To groups that may be contemplating vote fraud in tomorrow's races, such an outcome will hardly be seen as a big deterrent.

Thanks for posting the article.  This does not surprise me, Obama/Dems are on  the line in this one.  Christie needs a big turn out to turn the tide, I just hope they are as mad a I am and vote!

 

Just got done voting. Basically I voted for only two incumbent council members. Kwame Kenyatta and Ken Cockrell. The rest of them Kilpatrick loving idiots can get into the nearest unemployment line. Also voted for anyone running for school board that was NOT an incumbent and voted NO to anything that resembled a millage or tax increase. Cuts have to be made. I am not giving one extra penny to the politicians to waste. I want to keep my money. Voted for council by district. I am hoping that passes. At 7am there was only 20 folks in line so I don't expect a big turnout but we will see. They are predicting a 25% turnout which is really sad. Of the 20 voters in line this morning I saw no one under 40.

This truly shows how low Kwame was willing to stoop. He was a disgrace and a joke but he still manages to work out a deal to shake down businessmen for a quarter million dollars so he will leave. This was not a loan, it was not a gift, it was blackmail and bribery. I saw an ad today on TV which said "When you think cancer, think Karmanos". Very true Mr. Karmanos. When I think Karmanos, I will forever think of the cancer known as Kwame Kilpatrick which Mr. Karmanos supported and aided to the bitter end. Karmanos= cancer. I couldn't have said it better myself.

http://www.freep.com/article/20091103/NEWS01/911030338/1318/Kilpatrick-got-cash-far-ahead-of-loan-signing

I can't recall where I saw or read this but basically our government is telling us the following lie. We are being told that the troop levels are being lowered in Iraq. This is true as far as the story is told but the real story is this. As the government moves soldiers out of Iraq, they are being replaced with private soldiers supplied by Blackwater. It costs a lot more money to have a Blackwater private mercenary in Iraq than to have a genuine United States soldier. So get ready for the cost of the Iraq mess to increase and for Obama to ramp things up in Afganistan. The military industrial complex that Eisenhower tried to warn us about has come to full fruition.

I love my country, I just don't like my government.

taxpayer:

Just got done voting. Basically I voted for only two incumbent council members. Kwame Kenyatta and Ken Cockrell. The rest of them Kilpatrick loving idiots can get into the nearest unemployment line. Also voted for anyone running for school board that was NOT an incumbent and voted NO to anything that resembled a millage or tax increase. Cuts have to be made. I am not giving one extra penny to the politicians to waste. I want to keep my money. Voted for council by district. I am hoping that passes. At 7am there was only 20 folks in line so I don't expect a big turnout but we will see. They are predicting a 25% turnout which is really sad. Of the 20 voters in line this morning I saw no one under 40.

 

Tax, it looks like you applied some good logic to your selections.  I wish other Detroiters (and people everywhere, for that matter) voted with the same forethought.

Let's hope Ken Cockrel remains as Council President.  I think it would be horrific if Charles Pugh was voted in at all; he's already decided to let his condo be foreclosed on!  If he can't run his own personal finances, how can he help run the city?

taxpayer:

This truly shows how low Kwame was willing to stoop. He was a disgrace and a joke but he still manages to work out a deal to shake down businessmen for a quarter million dollars so he will leave. This was not a loan, it was not a gift, it was blackmail and bribery. I saw an ad today on TV which said "When you think cancer, think Karmanos". Very true Mr. Karmanos. When I think Karmanos, I will forever think of the cancer known as Kwame Kilpatrick which Mr. Karmanos supported and aided to the bitter end. Karmanos= cancer. I couldn't have said it better myself.

http://www.freep.com/article/20091103/NEWS01/911030338/1318/Kilpatrick-got-cash-far-ahead-of-loan-signing

I'am so w/ you on this!  How can he do a good thing for people w/ the cancer center then turn around and slap them in the face w/ the salami???

taxpayer:

This truly shows how low Kwame was willing to stoop. He was a disgrace and a joke but he still manages to work out a deal to shake down businessmen for a quarter million dollars so he will leave. This was not a loan, it was not a gift, it was blackmail and bribery. I saw an ad today on TV which said "When you think cancer, think Karmanos". Very true Mr. Karmanos. When I think Karmanos, I will forever think of the cancer known as Kwame Kilpatrick which Mr. Karmanos supported and aided to the bitter end. Karmanos= cancer. I couldn't have said it better myself.

http://www.freep.com/article/20091103/NEWS01/911030338/1318/Kilpatrick-got-cash-far-ahead-of-loan-signing

I am still in shock over this!  Not because of the extortion, of course, but that it was only for $240K!  I would have thought the Kwamster would have shaken them down for millions!

Looks like he needs to get with Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton to learn how to REALLY do a corporate shakedown!

I may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer but I don't think I am wandering too far off the path of logic and common sense by asking the following question. If these "generous" businessmen found it in their hearts to "donate" hard cash to the Kwamster why would they not also be willing to toss a few bucks in the direction of Christine Beatty?? Any way for channel 7 to find answers to this question? After all, here you have a young, recently divorced mother of two girls that loses her high paying job. There is a public record showing that Chrissy was not the best at handling her money even when she had a high paying job. She was in debt. Yet somehow she has managed to continue her mortgage payments and pay her grocery bill etc...without any known source of income. She is certainly not living off her savings. I'm just askin.

Missy55367:

taxpayer:

This truly shows how low Kwame was willing to stoop. He was a disgrace and a joke but he still manages to work out a deal to shake down businessmen for a quarter million dollars so he will leave. This was not a loan, it was not a gift, it was blackmail and bribery. I saw an ad today on TV which said "When you think cancer, think Karmanos". Very true Mr. Karmanos. When I think Karmanos, I will forever think of the cancer known as Kwame Kilpatrick which Mr. Karmanos supported and aided to the bitter end. Karmanos= cancer. I couldn't have said it better myself.

http://www.freep.com/article/20091103/NEWS01/911030338/1318/Kilpatrick-got-cash-far-ahead-of-loan-signing

I am still in shock over this!  Not because of the extortion, of course, but that it was only for $240K!  I would have thought the Kwamster would have shaken them down for millions!

Looks like he needs to get with Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton to learn how to REALLY do a corporate shakedown!

Al and Jesse Jackson are certainly masters at getting corporations to donate to their "causes" and also to place relatives on corporate board of directors etc. Keep in mind that over one million dollars was funneled to Carlita. All we have gotten so far is an accounting of 250k from the Karmanos crew and 50k from that wacky billionaire Matty Maroun. There are certainly other donors that will be pulled out from under their rocks and exposed to the light of day.