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  •  05-17-2008, 9:41 PM 3016528 in reply to 3016476

    Re: 4 hours

    Kathy 1007:
    Tushana:
    Cheryl48:

    Just signed back on after 4 hours and see that there's been another bout of man's (or woman's) inhumanity to man (or woman).

    And, it seems to be the same poster(s) that instigate each time.  

    I'd like to suggest that when someone goes into attack mode, we simply ignore them. I know that it is tough to do when you're the one being attacked, but by not quoting the offensive post, we don't publicize it and it drifts into the thousands of other unanswered posts. The attacker wants recognition and to know they've struck a nerve? So we don't respond.

    This is supposed to be a forum discussing KK. I've gained so much insight into the entire process from the bright people on this forum. Please don't let someone(s) with malicious purpose turn this group away from its focus. JMHO........

    Great post Cheryl!

    I apologize people that was I. I have also asked in the past to stop the bickering but I did it anyways, I should have more self-control and am ashamed of myself. I promise no more! Peace! Kathy

    Kathy let it go.  You haven't a thing to feel ashamed about!!!! 

  •  05-17-2008, 9:43 PM 3016532 in reply to 3016488

    Re: Free Press Article

    Laura56:
    keo10:
    Cheryl48:

    "Kilpatrick met with "a diverse gathering of supporters from corporate and civic backgrounds who are committed to the mayor's vigorous defense," said Chris Garrett, one of the mayor's Washington-based public relations consultants"

    *********************

    Unfortunately, this "diverse gathering of supporters"  possibly has so much to hide that they can't show their faces publicly. OR, there were so few "supporters" in attendance that the KK team doesn't want anyone to know.

    In my experience, supporters are up front. They stand up to be counted as supporters and speak out about what they believe. They don't slink around and skulk in and out of back doors to avoid being seen. Oh.. that's right. That's what KK does. They must be emulating him.....

    This sound like a gestapo meeting!  They must know he is a crook or they would show their faces - I wonder how many "supporters" showed up?
    Sounds like a plan "B" meeting to me.

    **************************

    The puzzle pieces now fit together for KK and read: You and your pals are going down, Kwame! Make your best deal now!

  •  05-17-2008, 9:43 PM 3016533 in reply to 3016519

    Re: Carolyn Cheeks-Kilpatrick

    Tushana:
    Laura56:
    keo10:
    Is anyone running against Kwame's mommie?  Laura56, You could whip her easily!
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Thanks Keo, I needed a really good laugh!

    I believe there are 2 people that have filed papers, I didn't recognize the names so maybe they are newcomers to the scene. No way does any one person know every name but after awhile if you listen and watch names become familiar.

    A big surprise is that the GOP didn't get anyone to challenge old John Conyers. His seat is ripe for the taking now, because of the disgust people have for his wife. A sane person wouldn't be married, with children to someone like that. Well, maybe if they lived 600 miles away.

    There are definietely two who have filed and they are not new to the scene...but of course I can't remember their names.....I think maybe a Mary Waters...I'm sure I messed that up.  My recall is slipping but it has been in the paper several times this past week..  Someone will remember.

     

    Yes Laura you would have all of us behind you with our support!

  •  05-17-2008, 9:54 PM 3016563 in reply to 3016532

    Re: Free Press Article

    Cheryl48:
    Laura56:
    keo10:
    Cheryl48:

    "Kilpatrick met with "a diverse gathering of supporters from corporate and civic backgrounds who are committed to the mayor's vigorous defense," said Chris Garrett, one of the mayor's Washington-based public relations consultants"

    *********************

    Unfortunately, this "diverse gathering of supporters"  possibly has so much to hide that they can't show their faces publicly. OR, there were so few "supporters" in attendance that the KK team doesn't want anyone to know.

    In my experience, supporters are up front. They stand up to be counted as supporters and speak out about what they believe. They don't slink around and skulk in and out of back doors to avoid being seen. Oh.. that's right. That's what KK does. They must be emulating him.....

    This sound like a gestapo meeting!  They must know he is a crook or they would show their faces - I wonder how many "supporters" showed up?
    Sounds like a plan "B" meeting to me.

    **************************

    The puzzle pieces now fit together for KK and read: You and your pals are going down, Kwame! Make your best deal now!

    I think you're right. It was a gathering of the whales, the people who his done favors for and who he owes favors to.

    Too many feelers came out this past week regarding plea or settlement talk. That would make these people very nervous. He either calmed their nerves or began the transition to his heir.

  •  05-17-2008, 9:56 PM 3016566 in reply to 3016533

    Re: Carolyn Cheeks-Kilpatrick

    Tushana:
    Tushana:
    Laura56:
    keo10:
    Is anyone running against Kwame's mommie?  Laura56, You could whip her easily!
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Thanks Keo, I needed a really good laugh!

    I believe there are 2 people that have filed papers, I didn't recognize the names so maybe they are newcomers to the scene. No way does any one person know every name but after awhile if you listen and watch names become familiar.

    A big surprise is that the GOP didn't get anyone to challenge old John Conyers. His seat is ripe for the taking now, because of the disgust people have for his wife. A sane person wouldn't be married, with children to someone like that. Well, maybe if they lived 600 miles away.

    There are definietely two who have filed and they are not new to the scene...but of course I can't remember their names.....I think maybe a Mary Waters...I'm sure I messed that up.  My recall is slipping but it has been in the paper several times this past week..  Someone will remember.

     

    Yes Laura you would have all of us behind you with our support!

    Please, don't make me laugh any more! Keo got me crying last time and my stomach still hurts!
  •  05-17-2008, 10:11 PM 3016602 in reply to 3016566

    Night All

    I'm really looking forward to the news on Monday. The hearing should be very interesting.

    See what tomorrow brings........

  •  05-17-2008, 10:57 PM 3016677 in reply to 3015915

    Re: Free Press Article

    paspeen:
    Kathy 1007:
    GLDDET:

    To meemeemy:

       A sentence is a significant portion of speech. Some parts of which have an independant meaning. That is to say, as an utterance. Though not as the expression of any positive judgement. Every sentence has meaning. Not as being the natural, means by which a physical faculty is realized. But, as we have said, by convention.

       Yet every sentence is not a proposition; only such are propositions as have in them either truth, or falsity. Thus a prayer is a sentence, but is neither true, nor false. Let us therefore dismiss all other types of sentence but the proposition. For this last concerns our present inquiry. Whereas the investigation of others belongs rather to the study of rhetoric, or of  poetry.  (Aristotle  350  B.C.)

       Sociopath  n.  A psycopath exhitbiting aggressive antisocial behavior.

       That is just one definition in the dictionary. And I don't feel like attempting to research the clinical definitions. Name calling doesn't make anything go away. For whatever your reasons are to justify that you don't like Kilpatrick, and what he did we get it. And crucifiction from the Poll Of Public Opinion rarely solves a circumstance. All it is, is a different way to vent frustration over the issue. And the quote by Aristotle was just to show that problems of today have been here long before we had to deal with them. A problem is a problem no matter when the time is. Kilpatrick isn't the first elected offical in power over the City of  Detroit who has made transgressions. So stop acting like it. 

    Sorry folks I can’t pass this one up. I am constantly astounded at how insensitive and downright cruel people are at times. Are you trying to impress everyone with your knowledge or something? Honestly if you just talked like a real person and relaxed you would make more sense. There are words for people like this… Gee can you help me? As my Mother would say, she’s passed away so don’t go there, get off your high horse and put your feet back on the ground. You ain’t no better than anyone else here!!!!

    KATHY1007,   YOU ARE 100% RIGHT ABOUT GLDDET, I'VE SEEN HER POSTS BEFORE.  SHE SPEAKS LIKES SHE'S ON TOP  OF THE MOUNTAIN WEARING A LONG WHITE ROBE.   I PROBABLY WILL CATCH HELL FROM HER FOR SAYING THIS BUT I CALL THEM LIKE I SEE THEM....
    PASPEEN, Welcome to the club!
  •  05-17-2008, 11:07 PM 3016692 in reply to 3016022

    Re: Free Press Article

    Gene210:
    Get ready for Higher gas prices, we are now  looking at 8.00 a gal and then can see 10.00 plus a gal of gold.
    Gene, you have to stop it.  I can't stand paying almost four bucks a gallon!  Toyota Prius here we come...
  •  05-17-2008, 11:09 PM 3016697 in reply to 3015856

    Re: Karmanos Finally Speaks....

    WeCanHelp:
    Tushana:
    Missy55367:

    We Can Help,

    Do you really know that the KK legal team is panicking, or are you just taking a guess? 

    Pure speculation I would think

    I guess Tushana (who doesn't know me or who I know) has already declared it speculation?

    Tushana, What are the winning mega million #'s for next Tuesday?

    I thought this forum would be mature enough to give some ..the benefit of the doubt. I attended college with a relative of a very famous attorney on Kilpatrick's team. Let's leave it at that. You can disregard my comments as being a "guess/speculation".

    Sorry I tried to share what I deemed reliable info.

     

    WeCanHelp, You're an insider give us the scoop on whats happening.
  •  05-18-2008, 3:55 AM 3017014 in reply to 3016697

    Re: Karmanos Finally Speaks....

    Good morning to everyone on a fine cool morning.
  •  05-18-2008, 5:57 AM 3017173 in reply to 3017014

    Morning

    Good Morning Gene.......yes, it is very cool. 75 on Friday.......that will be a nice change.  Have a good day......Get Real.
    Get Real
  •  05-18-2008, 7:51 AM 3017354 in reply to 3016692

    Re: Free Press Article

    keo10:
    Gene210:
    Get ready for Higher gas prices, we are now  looking at 8.00 a gal and then can see 10.00 plus a gal of gold.
    Gene, you have to stop it.  I can't stand paying almost four bucks a gallon!  Toyota Prius here we come...

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Morning Gene210; I saw that yesterday in the news. I don't remember if it was the Press or the D. News, but that $8.00 a gallon is what they are paying now for racing fuel. They're taking the fun out of racing now.

  •  05-18-2008, 8:23 AM 3017401 in reply to 3017354

    Re: Free Press Article

    So this is why the hustler kwamster wants the power to handle grants ahead of City council - he's got a long history of diverting funds. Check out the Freep article.

    http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080518/NEWS01/805180596

    Kilpatrick helped friends get grants

    Money also trickled down to his wife, records show

    BY DAWSON BELL, JIM SCHAEFER and M.L. ELRICK • FREE PRESS STAFF WRITERS • May 18, 2008

    The year before he was elected Detroit mayor in 2001, state Rep. Kwame Kilpatrick steered state grants to two Detroit nonprofit agencies that in turn agreed to pay $175,000 of the grant money to a company owned by Kilpatrick's wife, according to records obtained by the Free Press.

    One grant was to a nonprofit formed by Kilpatrick's friend Bobby Ferguson and the other was to a group run by the Rev. Edgar Vann, who then was Kilpatrick's pastor.

    The state eventually terminated half of Ferguson's $500,000 grant, citing inappropriate spending, including buying a house, and failure to document how the money was being spent.

    By then, Ferguson's firm had paid $100,000 to a company called U.N.I.T.E. Co. Inc. that Carlita Kilpatrick, the mayor's wife, incorporated in July 2000. Carlita Kilpatrick is listed as the president of U.N.I.T.E. on the incorporation papers. No other names are listed. U.N.I.T.E.'s incorporation papers were filed three weeks after Ferguson's nonprofit faxed its grant application to state officials from Kwame Kilpatrick's office at the Capitol.

    Vann's program had agreed to pay U.N.I.T.E. $75,000 from its grant, but paid only $37,500, said the then-executive director of the program, after state officials raised objections about the propriety of compensating Carlita Kilpatrick's company with a state grant her husband helped secure. Vann praised the work his nonprofit has done in Detroit.

    The two grants were among 82 totaling $18 million that the Legislature and then-Gov. John Engler approved in June 2000 for a program to enhance the arts, culture and quality of life across Michigan. At the time, the economy was booming and the state was awash in tax revenues.

    Steering grants to friends or even family is not illegal unless there's a kickback.

    Mayor praises wife's work

    Kilpatrick's office issued a statement to the Free Press late Friday afternoon praising work with the grants.

    "The First Lady's U.N.I.T.E., which did excellent work in the schools by providing nonviolent education, mentoring young girls, and coaching basketball, provided all of its services with a high amount of dignity and respect," the statement said. "The teachers, principals and students who participated in the program can all attest to U.N.I.T.E.'s great work."

    Bobby Ferguson was unavailable for comment this week, an aide said. Ferguson did not respond to voice mails or e-mails. Ferguson's wife, Marilyn, also could not be reached. Ferguson's attorney, Avery Williams, sent the Free Press an e-mail Saturday, saying: "We hope that good press would not be in the business of soliciting stories from regulatory officials on ancient matters and thereby creating controversy where there should be none!"

    Dan DeGrow, the state Senate majority leader involved in the negotiations that created the grants, learned details of Kilpatrick's role this week from the Free Press. He said what Kwame Kilpatrick did was "flat-out wrong."

    "We would never have gone along with it if we had known about it," said DeGrow, referring to Republicans who controlled state government at the time.

    Judy Nadler, a professor of government ethics at Santa Clara University in California, agreed.

    "The bottom line is that what you can do in a privately held company or family business you can't do in the public sector," Nadler said. "It's wrong. It undermines public trust. It's not fair to competitors. It's not fair to the public."

    Kilpatrick's statement did not address the question of whether it was proper to steer a grant to his wife and friends.

    Regardless of how anyone would rate Carlita Kilpatrick's work, it is unlikely that either grant would have been approved had state officials known that the wife of the state representative who pushed through the grants was directly benefiting, Department of Management and Budget spokeswoman Leslee Fritz said last week.

    DeGrow, along with several state budget officials who spoke on the condition they not be identified, said they weren't made aware Carlita Kilpatrick would get a six-figure subcontract.

    Kilpatrick's role in getting state grants that brought business to his wife comes to light as the embattled mayor is facing eight felony charges of perjury and other offenses in connection with a text message scandal. The City Council moved last week to begin a process to remove the second-term chief executive from office.

    State learns of subcontracts

    Months after the grants were issued, state budget officials learned that Ferguson's Detroit Three Dimensional Community Development Corp. (Detroit 3D), and Vann's Vanguard Community Development Corp. had subcontracted with Carlita Kilpatrick.

    Detroit 3D, headed by Ferguson and his wife, Marilyn, paid $100,000 to Carlita Kilpatrick's consulting firm, U.N.I.T.E., to provide eight months (at $12,500 per month) of character education and conflict resolution skills to students in unspecified Detroit schools.

    The money came from a $250,000 grant issued to Detroit 3D in September 2000 to provide unspecified help to young people and senior citizens. Detroit 3D was to get another $250,000 in 2001.

    Carlita Kilpatrick became a conflict resolution consultant after moving to Detroit in the mid-1990s, after graduating from Florida A&M University, where she met her future husband.

    The Ferguson project was described vaguely in the grant application as a way to "provide a wide scope of services to residents who do not have access or knowledge of many services available to them."

    More than two years after the Detroit 3D grant was approved, and after state officials repeatedly pleaded with the company to provide evidence of what it was doing with the money, then-budget director Don Gilmer canceled the second $250,000 installment.

    In a letter to Ferguson's wife, Gilmer said he concluded that the initial $250,000 had been spent for unauthorized purposes and that Detroit 3D had failed to document other spending.

    "I am not comfortable that the intended purpose of this grant has been met, and, therefore, believe the release of any additional funds would not be in the best interests of the State of Michigan," he wrote.

    Among the 82 grants, the one to Detroit 3D was the only one that lost money for poor performance, state budget officials said.

    Invoice sought $200 an hour

    The second grant earmarked by Kilpatrick went to Vanguard Community Development Corp. for programs promoting the arts on the north side of Detroit. Vanguard received two installments of $150,000 each from the state. State officials said there were fewer concerns about that grant.

    Donna Givens Williams, who at the time was the executive director of Vanguard, said this week the nonprofit paid Carlita Kilpatrick's company using other money it had raised, once state regulators raised concerns about using state money to pay U.N.I.T.E.'s invoice -- signed by Carlita Kilpatrick -- for $75,000.

    The invoice based the contract payment, in part, on getting $200 an hour for developing a curriculum for character education and alternatives to violence.

    She said a program on conflict resolution that Carlita Kilpatrick proposed for Sherrard Elementary in Detroit never got off the ground. Williams blamed the school administration for rejecting the program, not Carlita Kilpatrick.

    Williams said she hired Carlita Kilpatrick after she was introduced to her by her husband, then a state representative. Williams said Kwame Kilpatrick did not force her to make the hire.

    "I met her, I liked her," Williams said. "She did some work. It probably wasn't $37,500 worth of work ... there were a lot of challenging circumstances that weren't her fault. ... If I had felt she wasn't committed, I would have had a real issue."

    Tutoring and housing

    Vann said his nonprofit has provided cultural education, tutoring and housing in a desolate patch just east of New Center in Detroit.

    "We have great programs at Vanguard," he said. "We're very proud of it."

    Vanguard's grant application also was submitted Aug. 31, 2000 -- just one day before a news release from Engler's office announced the approval of the 82 projects from a field of 550 applicants. The release said that "due to the high level of interest, there were many worthy projects that did not receive funding."

    On June 22, 2000, Kwame Kilpatrick, then the second highest ranking Democrat in the state House, wrote to then-State Budget Director Mary Lannoye and thanked her for giving consideration to the Detroit 3D and Vanguard grants. Neither nonprofit had submitted grant applications at that point.

    "These organizations are doing excellent work," Kilpatrick wrote.

    Kilpatrick's two projects, especially Detroit 3D, stood out among the grants for their lack of detail on how the money would be spent, according to state budget officials who reviewed the applications.

    Under "project description," the Vanguard application said it planned to use the grant "through the Aspire Community Arts Program" for training low-income Detroit residents in the performing arts. They said they would do performances at Vann's Second Ebenezer church and the now-closed Sherrard school, near I-75 north of I-94.

    Tutoring and mediation

    In preparing Detroit 3D's application, Marilyn Ferguson wrote that it would provide "peer mediation" and "tutoring for the youth," and "meals and assistance" for poor senior citizens.

    After issuing the grant, officials tried repeatedly to verify that the work was done.

    After the first $250,000 payment to Detroit 3D in September 2000, state records show the next contact with the company came when a letter from Marilyn Ferguson, who at this point was signing correspondence Marilyn Johnson (her maiden name), arrived in June 2001 at the state budget office. The letter assured that the first $250,000 has been utilized, and requested the next installment.

    Marilyn Ferguson cited the same language from earlier correspondence in trying to explain what her nonprofit was doing with the money. "The first half of the grant was used to begin Conflict Resolution, Peer Mediation and Self-Esteem Workshops in the community elementary schools," she wrote.

    Detroit 3D also purchased a duplex to house homeless senior citizens, she wrote.

    The letter was accompanied by what appears to be an adding machine slip with a column of figures totaling $249,435.89, and copies of checks to various companies and a bank draft for $100,000 to U.N.I.T.E. Carlita Kilpatrick's company.

    No more money

    On Aug. 24, 2001, state budget official Philip Alderfer replied in a letter that the next $250,000 would not be released until Johnson explained why expenditures had apparently been made for "purposes outside the scope of the grant."

    Four months later, having not heard from Johnson, Alderfer's successor asked again for documentation and notifyed Detroit 3D that if the company didn't produce something by Jan. 15, the budget office would "seek recovery of these funds."

    The final correspondence in the Detroit 3D file is from Gilmer on Nov. 14, 2002, informing Detroit 3D that the second installment would not be forthcoming.

    "I am not comfortable that the intended purpose of this grant has been met," Gilmer said.

    In a telephone interview earlier this month, Gilmer said he couldn't recall the specific grant. But by November 2002, the outlines of the still-acute state budget crisis were becoming clear, he said.

    "We were looking for any money we could find," Gilmer said. Cutting off Detroit 3D was probably not a tough call, he said.

    The state did not seek recovery of what it said were misspent funds. By then, state Rep. Kwame Kilpatrick was Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick.

    Contact DAWSON BELL at 313-222-6609 or dbell@freepress.com or JIM SCHAEFER at 313-223-4542 or jschaefer@freepress.com or M.L. ELRICK at 313-222-6582 or mlelrick@freepress.com. Staff writer Jennifer Dixon and Library Director Alice Pepper contributed to this report.

  •  05-18-2008, 8:39 AM 3017415 in reply to 3017354

    Re: Free Press Article

    Kilpatrick should resign
    Rev. Dr. Michael C.R. Nabors  New Calvary Baptist ChurchKilpatrick should resign
    Just kick the bum out of office, your all done running this city and that's it.
  •  05-18-2008, 8:41 AM 3017417 in reply to 3017401

    Beatty's dilemma - surrounded by wolves

    Missed this one Friday - Morganroth is such a slippery scumbag, who could trust anything deal he was involved in? I find it hard to believe, since he is in kk's pocket, he would orchestrate and bless CB's full turn from the Dark Side to save herself. How could we believe her testimony is the REAL truth and not her version of the truth even if she did?

    http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080516/METRO01/805160364

    Friday, May 16, 2008

    Lawyer: Immunity could force testimony from Beatty

    Attorney says if Wayne Co. Prosecutor Kym Worthy provides protection, she would talk.

    Ron French / The Detroit News

    The best way to ensure that Christine Beatty testifies against her former boss and paramour would be to offer her immunity from prosecution, Beatty's lawyer said Thursday.

    But no talks with Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy are under way, said defense attorney Mayer Morganroth.

    "I'm not saying (Worthy) should" offer immunity, said defense attorney Mayer Morganroth.

    "I'm saying that if the prosecutor's office wants to settle the case, they know how to do it. They could offer immunity and then (Beatty) would be forced to testify."

    Morganroth was responding to a Thursday story in The Detroit News reporting that Beatty's minister and a member of her ex-husband's family were encouraging the 37-year-old to make a plea deal.

    Beatty faces multiple charges of perjury and obstruction of justice stemming from text messages that conflict with denials under oath that she and Kilpatrick fired a police officer and had an affair. If convicted, Beatty faces up to 15 years in prison.

    "People can say whatever they want, but they don't know the facts and they don't know the law," Morganroth said.

    "There are no negotiations. I've never been approached. They can grant immunity if they want -- it's up to them."

    Although there has been much chatter about plea deals, it's the first time Morganroth has suggested publicly that immunity was a potential way for Beatty to extract herself from her legal mess.

    If she were granted immunity, Beatty could no longer be prosecuted and could be compelled to testify against Kilpatrick.

    "They know how to do it if they want," Morganroth said.

    "And it's not by calling the press."

    Worthy last week said in a published interview that her "door was open" to Beatty.

    Now, Morganroth is intimating a specific legal structure.

    Morganroth said it's up to Worthy to contact him if the prosecutor wants to make a deal. "I'm not going to stalk Kym Worthy," he said.

    But Worthy countered that it's up to Morganroth to call the prosecutor's office if he wants to talk about a plea.

    "Christine Beatty is Mr. Morganroth's client," Worthy said in a written response Thursday to Morganroth's comments.

    "If he wants to discuss a plea negotiation on her behalf, all he needs to do is call. It's not up to me to call; we have a very strong case and we are ready to proceed."

    You can reach Ron French at (313) 222-2175 or rfrench@detnews.com.

     

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