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High Gas Prices
Last post 08-14-2008, 10:53 PM by Wayne P. 65 replies.
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05-30-2008, 7:13 PM |
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GLDDET
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Globug7:The high gas prices have caused me to change how I do things. Only go were I need to. Walk or drive to close places that I normally drove to.
Well the same powers that could have avoided all this in the first place. Have the power to bring the relief to all this. So instead of complaining in a forum, you need to E-Mail your Congressman with the same ferver.
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06-05-2008, 8:46 PM |
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Wayne P
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JimtheGolfer: You are doing exactly the correct thing by using a scooter.
You need to understand, though, that your expectation that the government should "do something" is the wrong way to approach anything, especially the markets. The government is not, nor will it ever be, your friend. If the government is a friend to anyone, it is to thousands of special interests, most of whom are steering the government toward creative ways to siphon from your wallet. And those special interests do not consider the government to be their friend; they see it as a marketing tool, and an essentially free one at that, since they can cheaply buy senators & congressmen via campaign contributions. By the way, their marketing expenses are tax-deductible.
The most-significant culprits currently in the oil markets are Wall Street and the oil speculators (see my post on this thread about 7-10 days ago).
Realize that government is good for little more than shrinking your paycheck, burying you in unnecessary paperwork, feeding our children into meatgrinders (wars) to support the appetite of the military-industrial complex, and employing millions of lawyers who otherwise would not likely be able to support themselves.
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06-11-2008, 10:35 PM |
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Wayne P
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TheMotivator has proposed a sweet-style 60's-type protest to fuel prices. If only these things had a prayer of a chance to motivate the oil companies/countries/cartel/...
It might have some effect on obesity.
If we could keep a similar protest going for 90 days non-stop 7 days a week, we might at least get sombody's attention for a while. The net effect on demand, however, would be miniscule, and those who perhaps could (do something?) would simply smile that cute smile (like *** Cheney) to their cohorts seated next to them at the lunch table.
A better solution: Lose the Hummer/SUV/Pickup.
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06-14-2008, 1:37 PM |
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TedDBare
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The prices continually going up has definitely affected me. Not so much for personal reasons but being self employed and having to service restaurant clients computer systems, I have had to start charging a dispatch fee to help offset the higher cost. Just as other businesses have had to. So every service call I go on results in my client paying a $20 fee. It helps, but it's not enough. And I have also had to deal with customers still in warranty that don't feel the charge is a fair charge but they also tell me that their vendors have done the same with food delivery, etc.. As mentioned in previous posts, these increased fuel prices have created an additional expense for my clients and though my business is in Auburn Hills, I have clients in Ann Arbor, Ypsilanti, Monroe, Detroit, Shelby, and the surrounding Metro area. I find it so hard to comprehend that NOBODY in the government is doing a thing. Gee a $300 Tax rebate check....there's a whole 75 gallons of gas at $4 /gallon. I don't drive a big SUV, but still that let's me drive approx. 1200 miles. So much for the "tax help"
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06-19-2008, 3:18 PM |
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GLDDET
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themotivator:Years ago the bush administration did not want to sign treaties with other nations over global warming. He said it would hurt the American economy. Some thing must have changed his mind and gas prices went up. So why doesn't the President inact a national speed limit of 55 mph or at least ASK the public to drive slower to reduce gas prices?
(In My Opinion) Disclaimer........ It didn't work before. Slower speeds with the current emmission standards, promotes safety, and conservation. Where's the money in that ?? The current administration was well aware of this dilemma, the timing dictates that. The restructuring of the Automotive Industry should show you that as well. It was a well thought out process that began with the invasion of Iraq. And from that point to now they are all intricately woven in with each other.
Reagen did the same thing starting with the Air Traffic Controllers, going into Grenada, and yes "Say No to Drugs". Nixon did the same thing, for some strange reason there were shortages in everything from Gasoline to Coffee. The only difference with Nixon was at least he kept everyone working to be able to afford what he was doing to the American public.
So it should be no surprise as to what lengths the administration of any Presidential party will do to preserve, or destroy what a previous administration has accomplished. This go round I do believe "foreign policy" gets a big nod at one of the first priorities that needs immeadiate attention. Along with putting a stop to all this corporate monopolizing. President Kennedy in the 60's tried to avoid this very thing that is tearing the fiber of this country apart at the seams.
The fuel prices are atroscious, yet something we have to deal with as best we can until a viable solution comes along. Alternative fuels and sources are a great idea, but how soon can they be implemented ?? And at what cost ?? The drawing board is a canvas that we all can paint. My Dad won a '68 Camaro for a weekend for his suggestion he submitted to GM. So it's time to re-start the "Suggestion Box". All Ideas Are Welcome !!
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06-20-2008, 1:16 PM |
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Wayne P
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GLDDET, I'd love to comment, but I fail to see what your point is. How does the Air traffic Controller's strike, Grenada war, "Say No to Drugs", and Nixon (?) relate to high gas prices and/or fuel conservation? And what dilemma that Cheney/Bush was aware of relates to the restructuring of the automotive industry, weaving all this (?) with each other?
You are definitely correct that the 55MPH speed limit never worked. The main reason was that few drivers would slow down to that speed, and for good reason. They were driving on roads designed for travel at a (government-bureaucrat-decided) 70MPH speed, based on vehicles (at the time of road design) that were of 1957-1962 vintage. When that 55MPH limit was set, we were all driving early-to-late 1970's vehicles - much safer, more fuel-efficient, and faster than in the past. We even had vastly-superior tires - radials. Today's vehicles are far far better all-around by at least a factor of three, and they're much easier to drive - if you're paying attention to driving.
If the government were to again mandate a 55MPH speed limit (or even 60, or 65), the result would be exactly the same, while we now get fuel mileage twice as good (or better) than we did in the late 1970's. And most of today's cars are fully capable of operating on those same roads at 100-150MPH (when the roads are in good repair), though few drivers are capable of safely driving at those speeds.
This should also tell you something about how government (ie: bureaucrats) decides what is good for us. It is almost always based on the lowest-common-denominator: The least-able or least-qualified people who will likely be doing the activity being regulated.
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06-21-2008, 12:05 PM |
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GLDDET
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Wayne P:
GLDDET, I'd love to comment, but I fail to see what your point is. How does the Air traffic Controller's strike, Grenada war, "Say No to Drugs", and Nixon (?) relate to high gas prices and/or fuel conservation? And what dilemma that Cheney/Bush was aware of relates to the restructuring of the automotive industry, weaving all this (?) with each other?
You are definitely correct that the 55MPH speed limit never worked. The main reason was that few drivers would slow down to that speed, and for good reason. They were driving on roads designed for travel at a (government-bureaucrat-decided) 70MPH speed, based on vehicles (at the time of road design) that were of 1957-1962 vintage. When that 55MPH limit was set, we were all driving early-to-late 1970's vehicles - much safer, more fuel-efficient, and faster than in the past. We even had vastly-superior tires - radials. Today's vehicles are far far better all-around by at least a factor of three, and they're much easier to drive - if you're paying attention to driving.
If the government were to again mandate a 55MPH speed limit (or even 60, or 65), the result would be exactly the same, while we now get fuel mileage twice as good (or better) than we did in the late 1970's. And most of today's cars are fully capable of operating on those same roads at 100-150MPH (when the roads are in good repair), though few drivers are capable of safely driving at those speeds.
This should also tell you something about how government (ie: bureaucrats) decides what is good for us. It is almost always based on the lowest-common-denominator: The least-able or least-qualified people who will likely be doing the activity being regulated.
I was just using Nixon, and Reagen as examples to show that even with fuel prices going out of control for the times. Presidents historically seem to ignore the needs of the people at the most strangest of times. So while we end up having to tighten up our belts, the over-all aspect is completed.....higher prices.
There are many European countries whose highway systems have no speed limit. And their fatality rates are lower than our's in comparisions. And I don't have any real answers to what the attributing factors are. But I do know that there is no legislature that would lower the speed limit nationwide ever again to 55mph. And I see you do get it, that we are the lowest common denominator.
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06-21-2008, 12:52 PM |
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07-11-2008, 8:35 PM |
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Wayne P
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A very good point, Debra.
Let's hope that nobody gets hurt while some of these dummies are fooling with their phones as they tool around town (some of them are that dumb).
Good Luck with your job hunting!
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